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Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:30 am to PortCityTiger24
stone cold P, stone cold
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:36 am to swamie
The more I look at it, there's no way I could have done that deal without getting back both Swanson and Dahl.
I really wonder how close I was. I'm having penis envy right now.
I really wonder how close I was. I'm having penis envy right now.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:37 am to papz
I think y'all are overvaluing Lester longterm. He could retire when his contract runs up and I wouldn't be surprised
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:39 am to GynoSandberg
i think knat got pretty good value tbh.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:40 am to GynoSandberg
Truthfully we didn't care about Lester that much. It came down to Baez/Rendon for Donaldson. Heyward, Eovaldi and Shipley were expendable. Getting Lester for them was worth it for the sake of adding Donaldson.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:41 am to reddman
Me too. Long term
Good for both sides
Good for both sides
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:44 am to reddman
quote:
i think knat got pretty good value tbh.
Agreed
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:46 am to GynoSandberg
I don't think I am. Lester is pretty good and doesn't rely on velocity. He should pitch at a high level for another few years and serviceable there after.
The return package was filled with inconsistent and underachieving talent. If it was centered around Heyward, yuck. Baez has no full time position and how's that K/BB ratio going to work out with full time at bats. Shipley is a back end starter. Rendon is either hurt or underachieving. I wouldn't have taken that package for just Donaldson.
I guess I just may be overvaluing Donaldson here.
The return package was filled with inconsistent and underachieving talent. If it was centered around Heyward, yuck. Baez has no full time position and how's that K/BB ratio going to work out with full time at bats. Shipley is a back end starter. Rendon is either hurt or underachieving. I wouldn't have taken that package for just Donaldson.
I guess I just may be overvaluing Donaldson here.
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 9:50 am
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:52 am to papz
You are criminally undervaluing Baez (23) and the value he has in this league. His trade value is of a top 35 dynasty player (that's the offers weve been getting all week).
Rendon (26) was a 1st Rd pick in this league just two years ago.
Heyward (26) is a good flyer/buy low.
Eovaldi and Shipley can be starters in quick time.
Who else was offering him 5 MLB guys all under 26?
Rendon (26) was a 1st Rd pick in this league just two years ago.
Heyward (26) is a good flyer/buy low.
Eovaldi and Shipley can be starters in quick time.
Who else was offering him 5 MLB guys all under 26?
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:55 am to Toula
We all value players differently.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:56 am to reddman
quote:
i think knat got pretty good value tbh.
i think in the end, the deal will work out for him.
But how do you pay fair market value(or over market value) for guys like Rendon and Heyward?
Will either of these guys ever be standouts again?
even in a 20tm league like this, i couldnt even start Heyward with confidence.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 9:59 am to Lester Earl
I value Heyward as a throw-in right now. Baez and Rendon were the real gets in the deal. I have no doubt that Rendon will be a factor in the league for years. Baez has tremendous upside, and IDGAF how much he strikes out. You don't get penalized for that shite in this league. 
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:01 am to Lester Earl
Where does Heyward land when he doesn't suck? This is an outlier thus far
Rendon issue is health
Rendon issue is health
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:03 am to GynoSandberg
quote:
Where does Heyward land when he doesn't suck? This is an outlier thus far
Right. His value will never be lower than it is right now.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:04 am to Lester Earl
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even in a 20tm league like this, i couldnt even start Heyward with confidence.
That's where I disagree with papz. Heyward wasn't the center piece, it was Baez. Then paired with Rendon, who I would still place bets on to be good, it was no doubt the best offer he got. Especially when he's stated that he's not taking on prospects.
I haven't watched Lester as much as y'all have, but I value him more than T&P does, especially when you're contending and in a league where SP is a high commodity.
Knat took a big bet on Heyward and rolled the dice with Shipley and Eovaldi.
At the end of it all, I believe it was his best offer, and I'm just jelly.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:07 am to GynoSandberg
Rendon in his last 162 games has 17Hr and 60 RBi and like a .720 OPS
he's not bad but he's not 1st pick in the draft good either
I love Baez and his position eligibilty is great for this league.
he's not bad but he's not 1st pick in the draft good either
I love Baez and his position eligibilty is great for this league.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:09 am to Lester Earl
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Rendon in his last 162 games has 17Hr and 60 RBi and like a .720 OPS
And I feel like that's his floor. Lingering injuries and shite have held him back and disrupted his timing. If he can pull a Kinsler and have a long string of healthy seasons after suffering through unhealthy ones early on, he will be a top ranked IF for years.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:09 am to Lester Earl
That's what I'll miss with Baez. He's going to be eligible everywhere but C. That's so key with small benches.
Brad Miller is underrated thats going to have to fill that spot for our stretch run. That and Schimpf staying serviceable.
Brad Miller is underrated thats going to have to fill that spot for our stretch run. That and Schimpf staying serviceable.
Posted on 7/28/16 at 10:10 am to reddman
Rendon is going to lose 2B elig at this rate too. He hasnt played there all year and likely wont
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