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The CTH has a very important message about media polling.

Posted on 11/9/16 at 7:29 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
133819 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 7:29 am
quote:

Forgive my indulgence as I take an opportunity to recap a very important aspect to this election that must be hammered home lest the professional political class be allowed to obfuscate the reality of the situation.

For many of us, last night was the culmination of several years worth of painstakingly difficult effort, which began long before Donald Trump announced his candidacy.

To all the fellow deplorables that joined hands and stood resolute against the furnace of overwhelming opposition, my most sincere and humble thanks to each and every one of you. This has been a movement of success against all odds, 132:1 odds to be precise.

However, before we begin the arduous process of holding our political representatives accountable for the mandate we require, there is a very important detail which must be forever etched in the bloodstream of our republic to ensure it is never forgotten.



THE MEDIA DIDN’T GET IT WRONG – The pollsters did not work from the wrong data set; the media pollsters, consultants and professional political class did not work from the wrong assumptions, or use the incorrect baselines….. THEY LIED.

The professional media polling agents knew exactly what the truth was.

They lied and manipulated their data in a concerted effort to intentionally falsify reality. There should be no doubt, EVER, in the mind of any political observer as to what took place within the expressed and broadcasted polling which fueled over two years of broadcast news. The media intentionally lied.

They knew the truth. The same tools available to us, and to those who were ridiculed for truth-telling, were available to them and many more. They did not get it wrong. They chose to lie to you the American electorate. So lets name the liars so their names can forever be dispatched from the land where credibility is of value:

Fox News, pollster Daron Shaw, Shaw Research and associates and the Wall Street Journal. Rupert Murdoch.
NBC News, pollster Mark Murray, Hart Research and Associates.
Monmouth University, pollster Patrick Murray.
CBS News and New York Times writ large.
ABC News and The Washington Post.
CNN News Network and ORC Polling.
Rasmussen and Reuters Polling Operations.




These individuals along with every single corporate national media polling outlet, which in turn contributed to -and skewed- the larger aggregate of the Real Clear Politics average of polls, were complicit in their intent to deceive the American electorate in an ideological scheme to manipulate the psyche of the American voter.

There is not a single shred of credibility that should remain with any of the above mentioned polling entities.

They did not make mistakes; they did not operate from the wrong assumptions. These organizations, as part of the larger corporate objectives from those who fund their endeavors, lied. Allowing them to say they made a mistake is only dooming ourselves to the continued cycle of battered electorate syndrome.

These entities are our abusers. They have been gaslighting the American electorate for years, and have been able to remain unchecked because no-one has ever called them to task before.

Throughout the last two years we have identified and exposed this corrupt endeavor while being ridiculed and marginalized at each undertaking. There should be no quarter provided and no amount of forgiveness ever offered.

The entire construct of their operational business model is corrupt from top to bottom. This moment in history should forever separate their influence from our national political discussion. PERIOD.





Lies.

All of it.

Intentionally so.

Break the cycle.


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Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35359 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 7:33 am to
Well the media was closer in their polling of Florida than CTH's +10 prediction. Apparently internal polling for both sides didn't expect this.

You're a good poster though GumboPot, and were far more right than I was (as well as countless other posters).. Congratulations
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
121841 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 7:34 am to
quote:

The media intentionally lied.
/thread
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
42125 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 7:38 am to
I agree they lied but I think it's because they didn't believe what they were seeing and hearing. I think they were so bought into their own narrative they couldn't believe the bold print between the lines.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
133819 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 7:39 am to
quote:

You're a good poster though GumboPot, and were far more right than I was (as well as countless other posters).. Congratulations




No congratulations necessary. I'm not looking for a win per se unless that win helps Americans. And I was off on my Florida prediction. I said Trump by 4. He won by 1. My assumption was that he would end up being closer to Rubio who won by 8.
This post was edited on 11/9/16 at 8:12 am
Posted by Jyrdis
TD Premium Member Level III
Member since Aug 2015
13115 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 7:40 am to
I will be using the IBD poll in the future. Most of the others are antiquated.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35359 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 7:45 am to
quote:

I will be using the IBD poll in the future. Most of the others are antiquated.
For state polling, although she does a limited number, Ann Selzer continues to impress.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
14185 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:05 am to
It's a clear indictment of the entire liberal progressive media. They've always been biased but they finally embraced their blatant/in your face bias in this election cycle for any objective observer to recognize.
Posted by tagatose
South Carolina
Member since Oct 2005
2025 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:11 am to
This polling suppression technique won't work again.

It was a single shot use only.

Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
71042 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:14 am to
Why I am pleased this morning. The American people have learned much this election cycle
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
84969 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:15 am to
quote:

This polling suppression technique won't work again.

It was a single shot use only.



Again...social media. It's become more powerful than the MSM.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:20 am to
quote:

agree they lied but I think it's because they didn't believe what they were seeing and hearing. I think they were so bought into their own narrative they couldn't believe the bold print between the lines


They didn't know what was going to happen, but they knew they were not delivering accurate polls. They saw the fire of populism coming and tried to pour water on it before Election Day.

They knew their demonization of Trump combined with the Democrat GOTV effort would make it hard for Trump to flip states, so they did their part.
This post was edited on 11/9/16 at 8:26 am
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
29694 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:23 am to
ANY news organization that covered a Trump Rally and a Hillary Rally should have immediately brought what most polls were "saying" into question...

The problem is there are VERY few "news" organizations out there now... It is all about the agenda they want pushed, rather than simply providing the news...
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
60867 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 8:32 am to
Lots of us called this early on. No big surprise, but it is comforting to see it in print.
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