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Popular Vote question
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:09 am
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:09 am
I'm having trouble finding who won the popular vote? I see conflicting reports, some numbers show Trump winning, other reports claiming Clinton won the popular vote. I can't really find anything definitive.
MAGA
MAGA
This post was edited on 11/10/16 at 5:09 am
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Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:09 am to pheeyok
Don't think all the numbers are in yet. How convenient for Hillary. You can bet Cali is in
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Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:10 am to pheeyok
No matter don't let the Dims talking points distract from MAGA 
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:13 am to pheeyok
There is no contest for the winner of the popular vote. Neither candidate was trying to win the popular vote. That would be a completely different competition.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:14 am to pheeyok
It's generally accepted at this time that Clinton has the popular vote. Not sure if that will change, but it doesn't matter. Our system is not intended to award the Presidency to the person who gets the popular vote unless they also get the Electoral vote.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:18 am to pheeyok
According to Yahoo...
Clinton: 59,814,018
Trump: 59,611,678
In other words, Trump is leading if you take out the fake ballots from Broward county, felon votes in North Carolina, and electronic vote switching glitches in Texas.
It doesn't matter, though. The Founders saw this coming, and protected us with the Electoral College.
He will have at least 306 electoral votes. That's a multi-state margin. No contest! MAGA!!!
Clinton: 59,814,018
Trump: 59,611,678
In other words, Trump is leading if you take out the fake ballots from Broward county, felon votes in North Carolina, and electronic vote switching glitches in Texas.
It doesn't matter, though. The Founders saw this coming, and protected us with the Electoral College.
He will have at least 306 electoral votes. That's a multi-state margin. No contest! MAGA!!!
This post was edited on 11/10/16 at 5:19 am
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:23 am to pheeyok
Founders were smart enough to realize a conglomerate of assholes in one spot should never speak for an entire nation. That's why they crossed the fricking pond in the first place.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:26 am to ItNeverRains
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Founders were smart enough to realize a conglomerate of assholes in one spot should never speak for an entire nation
Well put. Some people have trouble with wrapping this around their brain however.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:28 am to ItNeverRains
If all Democrats moved to California and we elected by popular vote, we would have one state out of the entire country dictate how all states should be governed. That's why the EV matters and the PV doesn't.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:29 am to pheeyok
The popular vote is irrelevant. In fact, overseas absentee ballots only have to be postmarked by the date of the election in some states, so all of those wouldn't even be opened yet.
If the popular vote mattered, Trump would have campaigned heavily in states where he didn't, like California.
If the popular vote mattered, Trump would have campaigned heavily in states where he didn't, like California.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:42 am to pheeyok
quote:It doesn't matter.
I'm having trouble finding who won the popular vote?
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:53 am to PairofDucks
Thanks everyone for the feedback!
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:59 am to Homesick Tiger
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Well put. Some people have trouble with wrapping this around their brain however.
Any cognitive dissonance between that statement and Donald's November 2012 tweets decrying the Electoral College? 
Posted on 11/10/16 at 6:10 am to beaverfever
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There is no contest for the winner of the popular vote. Neither candidate was trying to win the popular vote. That would be a completely different competition.
Exactly. It's like a losing football team claiming they should be the winner if they got more total yards.
The goal wasn't to get more total yards, the goal was to get more points. Each team would have played the game much differently if the rules were different.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 6:25 am to pheeyok
Think along 2 tracks.
1. There is the electoral college. It actually is the mechanism by which our President is chosen and validated. For simplicity sake, think of this as 50 units of varying sizes, each unit's eventual electoral vote(s) depend partly on the total vote cast within that unit. Only within that unit. At a date in December, each of the 50 units cast their unit's electoral votes for (usually) their unit's winning candidate. These are all added together to determine the electoral winner.
2. Popular vote is the raw total of only the popular vote of all voters, not units. Which means that all the votes of California (very large number) are mixed in and added in with all the votes of South Dakota, all the votes from Louisiana, all the votes from Rhode Island and Maine (relatively small number in comparison) and all the rest. Why this matters is that the sheer weight of the numbers of votes cast by the voters of one unit like California, NY, TX, or FL can theoretically crush the much smaller total votes cast by the people living in smaller units (states) - which leaves them essentially voiceless in national elections that would be decided on total raw votes alone.
Thus the electoral college offers the voters of each of the 50 units a much less imbalanced opportunity to have their voice heard.
1. There is the electoral college. It actually is the mechanism by which our President is chosen and validated. For simplicity sake, think of this as 50 units of varying sizes, each unit's eventual electoral vote(s) depend partly on the total vote cast within that unit. Only within that unit. At a date in December, each of the 50 units cast their unit's electoral votes for (usually) their unit's winning candidate. These are all added together to determine the electoral winner.
2. Popular vote is the raw total of only the popular vote of all voters, not units. Which means that all the votes of California (very large number) are mixed in and added in with all the votes of South Dakota, all the votes from Louisiana, all the votes from Rhode Island and Maine (relatively small number in comparison) and all the rest. Why this matters is that the sheer weight of the numbers of votes cast by the voters of one unit like California, NY, TX, or FL can theoretically crush the much smaller total votes cast by the people living in smaller units (states) - which leaves them essentially voiceless in national elections that would be decided on total raw votes alone.
Thus the electoral college offers the voters of each of the 50 units a much less imbalanced opportunity to have their voice heard.
This post was edited on 11/10/16 at 6:30 am
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