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Paging pettifrogger...we need to finish our discussion about polling

Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:37 am
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:37 am
I said he'd win NC by at least 3

So now do you believe that the polling was bullshite? I'm genuinely curious. thank god it's all over
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:38 am to
"The polls aren't rigged against Trump"

"There are no hidden Trump voters"

"Trump voters aren't lying to pollsters"

LOL
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:39 am to
Yeah I think of all the people I have to eat shite for today it's you most of all.

I thought Trump had a path, but I didn't think we'd have the swings you and I discussed.

Y'all reddit nerds were right!
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:40 am to
quote:

"There are no hidden Trump voters"

"Trump voters aren't lying to pollsters"



Never, ever said this stuff.

quote:

"The polls aren't rigged against Trump"



Still don't believe this is inaccurate.

Trump's internals were off too.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:40 am to
I wasn't referring specifically to you, just the general opinion I saw all over the place.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:41 am to
Just curious

I tried to get Hawkeyes to put a G on it. It was a lean red IMO from the get go
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:43 am to
NC was the only state I went into the numbers, previous results

I mean I went full aspergers. When I put my sperg on something, I'm really good
This post was edited on 11/9/16 at 10:45 am
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:43 am to
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:45 am to
Oh and does bannon know how to message to blue collar democrats?

Dude is an ad marketing propaganda wiz
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Oh and does bannon know how to message to blue collar democrats?



Maybe man, but you'll still have to sell me on this.

Because while I don't doubt Bannon had influence before coming on board officially, Trump seemed to moderate away from that stuff somewhat (Conway no doubt) in the final stages.

And I'm firmly of the opinion that without that pivot, today might be a much shittier day
Posted by More&Les
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:50 am to
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Yeah I think of all the people I have to eat shite for today it's you most of all


<< says hello.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:51 am to
Trump won WI, MI, PA did I at least move you in that direction?
Posted by moneyg
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:52 am to
quote:

Trump's internals were off too.



they weren't too off. They were reporting two days ago that they felt good about the northern midwestern states. That turned out to be very accurate and counter to conventional wisdom and information that was out there.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:53 am to
I think there were so many variables you can't put it on one thing

Deplorables
Change
Emails
bullshite media
Poor campaign decisions by clinton
Turnout
Weather
Etc
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:54 am to
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So now do you believe that the polling was bullshite?


Along with that, when rally attendance is so incredibly lopsided at the vast majority of rallies, it's an indication of an excitement factor that will come into play.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35356 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:55 am to
quote:

"The polls aren't rigged against Trump"
They were wrong, especially at the state level, but they weren't rigged. Trump will still lose the popular vote by upwards of half a percentage point.
quote:

"There are no hidden Trump voters"
I mean Trump will still have fewer votes than Romney (and Bush in 2004) and maybe even fewer votes than McCain.

I think this wasn't as about hidden Trump votes so much as people not supporting Hillary.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:55 am to
It wasn't just rally attendance. These people weren't ushered in or staged

They were ravenous man. fricking crazy enthusiastic for change
Posted by gaetti15
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:56 am to
it was non-response bias...they didn't account for it
Posted by 225bred
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:57 am to
Fox, you've been one of my favorite posters throughout this entire election process.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
Member since Dec 2010
77625 posts
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:58 am to
thanks but I was a huge fricking idiot about it until around july

This post was edited on 11/9/16 at 10:58 am
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