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re: Gary Patterson out at TCU. Thanks for the memories.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 6:12 pm to PurpleExile
Posted on 11/1/21 at 6:12 pm to PurpleExile
As someone who attended a great many games at Amon Carter, the fan support is a far cry from what you're suggesting. Patterson was forced to go cap in hand to local businesses to try to drum up support. The stadium rarely, if ever, sells out.
Sure, the campus is pretty. But programs aren't judged by IPFs anymore. That's late 90's to early 2000's speed. They could do far, far more than they do. Just look at the baseball stadium. There are so many lacking elements in athletics there, which put it firmly in the space of a mid-major.
Problem is, fans and administration think they're on the level of the SEC. They're legitimately delusional, perhaps one notch below Florida State. They're on Boise State's level, not LSU's. Not even FSU's.
But Fort Worth has always had the little brother complex being next to Dallas, and it tends to think its britches are bigger than they are. That makes for a much nicer town than Dallas by far, but when it comes to sports -- they're small potatoes.
Sure, the campus is pretty. But programs aren't judged by IPFs anymore. That's late 90's to early 2000's speed. They could do far, far more than they do. Just look at the baseball stadium. There are so many lacking elements in athletics there, which put it firmly in the space of a mid-major.
Problem is, fans and administration think they're on the level of the SEC. They're legitimately delusional, perhaps one notch below Florida State. They're on Boise State's level, not LSU's. Not even FSU's.
But Fort Worth has always had the little brother complex being next to Dallas, and it tends to think its britches are bigger than they are. That makes for a much nicer town than Dallas by far, but when it comes to sports -- they're small potatoes.
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 10:16 pm to PantherCity
Interesting takes on the TCU program. For a while, they could argue having the best football and baseball teams in the state. With both coaches gone, this is a big spot to be in.
They’ve performed over their level for about 2 decades now. VERY few programs can make claims like that…Boise, maybe Utah
They’ve performed over their level for about 2 decades now. VERY few programs can make claims like that…Boise, maybe Utah
Posted on 11/3/21 at 11:45 pm to PantherCity
Not to belabor this, but the Fort Worth community does consider TCU its hometown team. Patterson didn't have to drum up support. But he did have to shake a lot of hands to get local business people to donate to improve the stadium (can you imagine Saban doing that?).
TCU only has 11,000 students but a stadium with 50,000 capacity. Tiger Stadium is twice that size, but has three times the number of students. TCU draws well when they're winning, but sellouts depend on the opponent. Games against Texas, Oklahoma and Baylor are usually sellouts.
Other than these last couple of years, the football program has been decidedly better than Boise State. Patterson's team beat Texas regularly, and he's beaten some good non-conference teams, like Oregon and Ole Miss.
No, they're not SEC-caliber, but who is?
They, like most of the Big 12, are likely to get left behind when the expected major reorganization of college football occurs.
And it will be because their small student, alumni and fan base can't bring enough eyeballs to the new TV package.
Lastly I lived in Fort Worth for a few years and I can assure you the city doesn't have a little brother complex about Dallas. It's proud of its distinct personality.
It may be "small potatoes" in sports, as you said, but the Dallas Cowboys and Texas Rangers both play on the Fort Worth side of town.
TCU only has 11,000 students but a stadium with 50,000 capacity. Tiger Stadium is twice that size, but has three times the number of students. TCU draws well when they're winning, but sellouts depend on the opponent. Games against Texas, Oklahoma and Baylor are usually sellouts.
Other than these last couple of years, the football program has been decidedly better than Boise State. Patterson's team beat Texas regularly, and he's beaten some good non-conference teams, like Oregon and Ole Miss.
No, they're not SEC-caliber, but who is?
They, like most of the Big 12, are likely to get left behind when the expected major reorganization of college football occurs.
And it will be because their small student, alumni and fan base can't bring enough eyeballs to the new TV package.
Lastly I lived in Fort Worth for a few years and I can assure you the city doesn't have a little brother complex about Dallas. It's proud of its distinct personality.
It may be "small potatoes" in sports, as you said, but the Dallas Cowboys and Texas Rangers both play on the Fort Worth side of town.
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