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re: Why Kiffin over Napier??
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:45 am to lsu777
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:45 am to lsu777
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is he? based on what?
More head coaching experience, more national recruiting experience, more playcalling experience, more success at a higher level.
Kiffin has seen everything. Napier has barely even been a HC.
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at USC- down up and down
at FAU- down up and down
at OM so far-down up and ?????
A 5-5 season during covid isn't necessarily "down" for Ole Miss, especially when 3 of their opponents are LSU, Bama, and Texas A&M.
Kiffin's stop at USC had all the potential and he showed flashes but his early career immaturity killed it and the USC athletic department was a mess. That time while to you may be a blemish, based on what I see now I think it's been an asset as an invaluable learning experience. A lot of great coaches have had failed stops before breaking out elsewhere after learning from their mistakes (Saban, Belichick).
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being OC for saban means what? and Napier was OC for dabo and coached for saban....in the end that means shite
Isn't Napier's connection to Saban one of his most hailed attributes? That's all we've heard, "he's just like Saban, he's process-oriented like Saban, he talks like Saban".
Well tell me, why was Napier only ever the WR coach while Kiffin was the offensive coordinator? Explain to me how being position coach under Saban makes him more qualified than any OC or DC that's coached under Saban.
And Napier was fired as OC under Dabo.
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as HC and actual results..... Napiers record and resume>> Kiffens.
No, just no. 4 years at ULL isn't shite. Kiffins 3 years at FAU are highly comparable to Napiers, if not better.
Here is FAU from 2010 through the Kiffin tenure:
2010-(4-8)
2011-(1-11)
2012-(3-9)
2013-(6-6)
2014-(3-9)
2015-(3-9)
2016-(3-9)
2017-(11-3)-Kiffin as HC
2018-(5-7)-Kiffin as HC
2019-(10-3)-Kiffin as HC
Here is ULL through the first 3 years of Napier:
2011-(9-4)
2012-(9-4)
2013-(9-4)
2014-(7-4)
2015-(4-8)
2016-(6-7)
2017-(5-7)
2018-(7-7)-Napier as HC
2019-(11-3)-Napier as HC
2020-(9-1)-Napier as HC
As you can see ULL was very much a bowl team with winning records prior to Napier while FAU had very few winning records and none from 2010-2016 prior to Kiffin.
And now in 2021 both are 6-1. Kiffin is 6-1 at an SEC school and Napier is 6-1 in the sun belt.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 10:52 am
Posted on 10/25/21 at 11:36 am to tiggerthetooth
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No, just no. 4 years at ULL isn't shite. Kiffins 3 years at FAU are highly comparable to Napiers, if not better.
Here is FAU from 2010 through the Kiffin tenure:
2010-(4-8)
2011-(1-11)
2012-(3-9)
2013-(6-6)
2014-(3-9)
2015-(3-9)
2016-(3-9)
2017-(11-3)-Kiffin as HC
2018-(5-7)-Kiffin as HC
2019-(10-3)-Kiffin as HC
Here is ULL through the first 3 years of Napier:
2011-(9-4)
2012-(9-4)
2013-(9-4)
2014-(7-4)
2015-(4-8)
2016-(6-7)
2017-(5-7)
2018-(7-7)-Napier as HC
2019-(11-3)-Napier as HC
2020-(9-1)-Napier as HC
As you can see ULL was very much a bowl team with winning records prior to Napier while FAU had very few winning records and none from 2010-2016 prior to Kiffin.
And now in 2021 both are 6-1. Kiffin is 6-1 at an SEC school and Napier is 6-1 in the sun belt.
i will give you credit for atleast coming withing of substance. Napier improved his team year over year unlike kiffen.
I do give kiffin credit for FAU, i think he did a fantastic job there and has done a great job this year. I expect IM to return to his normal 6-7 wins next year though as he has shown int he past.
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More head coaching experience
yea he was a failure pre saban for sure....so we giving people credit for failing>
Kiffin hasnt seen everything
i dotn care about the saban connection that much to be honest. and i just want a head coach that is a creazy hard worker and leaves nothing left to chance.
I think kiffin and Napier are both good choices, with both having advantages in certain areas.
as HC though i find what Napier has done more impressive. but i would be happy with kiffin and the O he will bring, but i do think we would have lots of mediocrity sprinkled in between the good.
in the end, scott needs to interview and hear the plan from both and many others and go with who he feels can implement the best plan.
IMO though Kiffin is the best OC in football and is simply masquerading as a HC.
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