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re: Has anyone had a religious exemption accepted/rejected yet?

Posted on 10/15/21 at 8:21 pm to
Posted by GregMaddux
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/15/21 at 8:21 pm to
What ingredient? Shot has peanuts and shellfish?

Im being serious. Looking for help.
This post was edited on 10/15/21 at 8:22 pm
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16665 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 9:58 pm to
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For those that got the exemption can you share your medical or religious reasons that others might could use?


ETA: BuzzSaw has some good stuff just above.

I submitted a request for religious exemption (since I'm a follower of Jesus - evangelical tradition), not a medical exemption (can't help you there). FTR, I'm old, almost 4 decades in engineering and work 100% remotely. I've had COVID. I intend to fight this.

My company's request has four parts:
1) Simple yes/no question about me having a "sincerely held religious belief" that keeps me from getting the COVID vaccine?"

2) Provide a statement detailing my beliefs why I object to getting the COVID vaccine. It specifically excluded politics and philosophies which I found interesting.

3) Have I had other vaccines as an adult? Yes/No.
If yes, I had to explain how my religious beliefs allowed for the previous vaccine(s) but not for the COVID vaccine.

4) Get a statement of support from my "religious leader."

My answers:
#1) Checked YES.

#2) a. I am a follower of Jesus Christ as revealed in Scripture. I believe He is the Son of God incarnate in human flesh, lived a sinless life, died vicariously in my place by Roman crucifixion, i.e., His cross, and was raised from the dead three days later.
b. Part of my doctrinal confession is that Scripture is the final authority for all matters of faith and practice.
c. “Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20, English Standard Version).
d. My body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. It does not belong to anyone but Jesus. He bought me by His Cross. I belong to Him. It is between Him and me what is put into the body He owns. He decides what is brought into His temple.
e. When my days are over on this earth, and I have to give an account of my life before my Lord, who's going to be there standing with me? Ans: no one. So no one else has a right to dictate my relationship with the Lord Jesus.

#3) Checked YES.
I have had numerous vaccines before – 12 in one day once. I am not an anti-vaxxer. But it is not clear why this is relevant. Not all vaccines are created equal, have been equally proven, nor do they pose equal risks, and there are proven alternative treatment protocols available for COVID, e.g., see in Uttar Pradesh in India. In light of that why are vaccines the ONLY promoted response to COVID?

Moreover, I have had COVID and work 100% from home. Vaccines pose risks. Their long term effects are not known. For the FDA to appeal to other vaccine histories when mRNA technologies are novel is bad judgment. They are NOT altogether safe and effective as advertised. Who is benefited should I incur this risk? I have no physical interaction with any other employee?

COVID vaccines were derived from tissue grown through aborted baby cell lines. It is my understanding that this is true for mRNA based vaccines and for J&J’s. To my knowledge, no one still disputes this.

Biologically, philosophically, and theologically, a life different than the mother begins at conception. In my worldview, a human life bears the image of our God our Creator and possesses inherent dignity, liberty, and sanctity. I don’t see how time somehow diminishes the moral responsibility. In other words, the fact that some of the babies aborted from whom tissue was grown happened decades ago changes what? Is it ok to murder our fellow-man to harvest his organs for the benefit of another or society at large? Or to use humans as experiments against their wills?

I am not aware that any of the vaccines I have had were derived from aborted baby cell lines. That is a critical moral difference.


#4) I am a member of _____ Church. My pastor and our Associate Pastor - would gladly draft a letter of support for me. They have both had COVID. The whole COVID shutdown has been especially taxing on evangelical pastors. I will not burden them with this request. They have enough to do and this contributes nothing to the matter at hand. It is unprecedented that an employee would have to possess a letter of support from a minister as a term of employment.

“Religion is that which binds a man. Every man is bound somewhere, somehow, to a throne, to a government, to an authority to something that is supreme, to something which he offers sacrifice, and burns incense, and bends the knee.” G. Campbell Morgan

Call it whatever. We all have it. There is no need for any employee to explain their worldview or religion or philosophy of life and have someone rubber stamp it as a condition of employment.
This post was edited on 10/15/21 at 10:01 pm
Posted by GregMaddux
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/15/21 at 10:54 pm to
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the808bass



Is full of shite. Seriously wtf
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16528 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 10:57 pm to
I’m still amazed that no FDA approved “vaccine” is available and mandates are out to force you to take “at your own risk” shot with no one holding liability for side effects.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
51148 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 10:59 pm to
Haven't been asked to provide proof of vaccination. My wife hasn't either.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23235 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:09 pm to
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COVID vaccines were derived from tissue grown through aborted baby cell lines. It is my understanding that this is true for mRNA based vaccines and for J&J’s. To my knowledge, no one still disputes this.


J&J was derived from fetal cell lines dating back from a single abortion in the 80s.

This method is also how we have vaccines for hepatitis A, rubella, and rabies-they come from a 2 abortions in the 60s/70s.

The mRNA vaccines do not contain anything derived from fetal cell lines/cultures.
Posted by salty1
Member since Jun 2015
4469 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:12 pm to
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To hell with these commies man.



Semper Fi Brother. Death before dishonor. I, for one, will never take a knee.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:15 pm to
Polyethylene glycol
Polysorbate

Previous reactions to other vaccines and a friendly doctor
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:16 pm to
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J&J was derived from fetal cell lines dating back from a single abortion in the 80s.


As long as it was just one baby murdered. Everything should be A-Ok.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:18 pm to
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Early in the development of mRNA vaccine technology, fetal cells were used for "proof of concept" (to demonstrate how a cell could take up mRNA and produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23235 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:18 pm to
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As long as it was just one baby murdered. Everything should be A-Ok.


i didn’t say that.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23235 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:19 pm to
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Early in the development of mRNA vaccine technology, fetal cells were used for "proof of concept" (to demonstrate how a cell could take up mRNA and produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike


And? I said they do not contain cells/tissue/cultures from fetal cells.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:21 pm to
And? I was providing additional information.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:22 pm to
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didn’t say that.


You kinda did. It’s ok. No one expects you to care about murdered babies.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23235 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:26 pm to
Nope. Never said any abortion is ok. Many people incorrectly believe abortions occurring today are being used to collect tissue and cells to make new vaccines. I was simply explaining that many of the vaccines which have been around for decades and are socially acceptable are derived from a total of 3-5 abortions that took place decades ago.
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27389 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:29 pm to
Yep. Had a friend in the military get one. He's about 2 months from retirement. They won't hardly accept any medical exemptions. I told him to got the Jehovah's witness route. Sent him some literature from one I entertained for a few hours one day when I was bored and had him join some groups on social media. He even went out and witnessed to a few folks. Said it worked.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:34 pm to
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Many people incorrectly believe abortions occurring today are being used to collect tissue and cells to make new vaccines.


I bought my wife a pretty diamond that was mined on the backs of child slaves and soldiers. But that happened a long time ago and those kids can’t die twice. So we just smile and show off the diamond.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23235 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:36 pm to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:36 pm to
I’d act asleep, too.
Posted by BearsAndTigers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2016
12 posts
Posted on 10/15/21 at 11:49 pm to
I got mine accepted. IDK if my company is just rubber-stamping them or if my letter made a difference.

I decided to leave legal jargon out of it and only write about my sincere beliefs.

I used the anti-abortion angle. All currently available vaccines in the US have used fetal cell lines in either production or testing.

I quoted scripture about how only God can give and take a life and abortion is the gravest of sins, in my true and sincere beliefs.

I also included an anecdotal story of another time in my life that my pro-life stance required me to make a life-altering decision.

I don't have all the info at hand at the moment, but legal precedent states that a member of a particular religion does not have to believe and follow every single tenant of that religion's doctrine. I didn't have to provide a statement from a religious leader. I'm not sure how they can require that. Not everyone who believe a certain way is a member of a congregation.
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