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Another Greenwald gem, this time on Facebook “whistleblower”

Posted on 10/5/21 at 11:52 pm
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
17669 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 11:52 pm
Wall of text, but worth reading, especially the piece on them wanting more regulation in Section 230:

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Democrats and Media Do Not Want to Weaken Facebook, Just Commandeer its Power to Censor


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And that is Facebook's only real political problem: not that they are too powerful but that they are not using that power to censor enough content from the internet that offends the sensibilities and beliefs of Democratic Party leaders and their liberal followers, who now control the White House, the entire executive branch and both houses of Congress. Haugen herself, now guided by long-time Obama operative Bill Burton, has made explicitly clear that her grievance with her former employer is its refusal to censor more of what she regards as “hate, violence and misinformation.”


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This, and this alone, is the sole reason why there is so much adoration being constructed around the cult of this new disgruntled Facebook employee. What she provides, above all else, is a telegenic and seemingly informed “insider” face to tell Americans that Facebook is destroying their country and their world by allowing too much content to go uncensored, by permitting too many conversations among ordinary people that are, in the immortal worlds of the NYT's tech reporter Taylor Lorenz, “unfettered.”


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As I have written before, this problem — whereby the government coerces private actors to censor for them — is not one that Yarvin was the first to recognize. The U.S. Supreme Court has held, since at least 1963, that the First Amendment's "free speech” clause is violated when state officials issue enough threats and other forms of pressure that essentially leave the private actor with no real choice but to censor in accordance with the demands of state officials. Whether we are legally at the point where that constitutional line has been crossed by the increasingly blunt bullying tactics of Democratic lawmakers and executive branch officials is a question likely to be resolved in the courts. But whatever else is true, this pressure is very real and stark and reveals that the real goal of Democrats is not to weaken Facebook but to capture its vast power for their own nefarious ends.


Here’s where he raises the big issue for all online platforms. They’re playing chess, and Greenwald sees it:

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There is another issue raised by this week's events that requires ample caution as well. The canonized Facebook whistleblower and her journalist supporters are claiming that what Facebook fears most is repeal or reform of Section 230, the legislative provision that provides immunity to social media companies for defamatory or other harmful material published by their users. That section means that if a Facebook user or YouTube host publishes legally actionable content, the social media companies themselves cannot be held liable. There may be ways to reform Section 230 that can reduce the incentive to impose censorship, such as denying that valuable protection to any platform that censors, instead making it available only to those who truly allow an unmoderated platform to thrive. But such a proposal has little support in Washington. What is far more likely is that Section 230 will be "modified” to impose greater content moderation obligations on all social media companies.

Far from threatening Facebook and Google, such a legal change could be the greatest gift one can give them, which is why their executives are often seen calling on Congress to regulate the social media industry. Any legal scheme that requires every post and comment to be moderated would demand enormous resources — gigantic teams of paid experts and consultants to assess "misinformation” and "hate speech” and veritable armies of employees to carry out their decrees. Only the established giants such as Facebook and Google would be able to comply with such a regimen, while other competitors — including large but still-smaller ones such as Twitter — would drown in those requirements. And still-smaller challengers to the hegemony of Facebook and Google, such as Substack and Rumble, could never survive. In other words, any attempt by Congress to impose greater content moderation obligations — which is exactly what they are threatening — would destroy whatever possibility remains for competitors to arise and would, in particular, destroy any platforms seeking to protect free discourse. That would be the consequence by design, which is why one should be very wary of any attempt to pretend that Facebook and Google fear such legislative adjustments.



The endgame is for all platforms to be regulated and liable for published content, and only the big companies could afford the compliance and legal risks. Discourse would be shut down and dissent would be muted.

Greenwald’s Substack
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62538 posts
Posted on 10/5/21 at 11:56 pm to
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What is far more likely is that Section 230 will be "modified” to impose greater content moderation obligations on all social media companies.

Far from threatening Facebook and Google, such a legal change could be the greatest gift one can give them, which is why their executives are often seen calling on Congress to regulate the social media industry.
I've been saying this all along. Repealing or elimination Section 230 will REQUIRE platforms censor MORE, not less.
Posted by OldNo.7
Fort Worth
Member since Sep 2012
1477 posts
Posted on 10/6/21 at 12:19 am to
It’s pretty obvious this is their play, but I wonder how they plan to navigate antitrust if all their competitors have to shutter their doors
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
9742 posts
Posted on 10/6/21 at 12:34 am to
Thanks for posting. I think Glenn is spot on with the analysis.
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
3627 posts
Posted on 10/6/21 at 12:56 am to
Yes, kabuki theater starring Haugen, Facebook and the radical left. The national republicans are just sitting their slack jawed and drooling.
Posted by Mac Power
Member since Jul 2019
463 posts
Posted on 10/6/21 at 7:45 am to
Where do message boards fall in the social media spectrum? Would this forum need to be moderated to the same extent as Facebook?
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20290 posts
Posted on 10/6/21 at 7:48 am to
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Would this forum need to be moderated to the same extent as Facebook?

Yes.
Posted by TigerMomma4
Member since Mar 2020
471 posts
Posted on 10/6/21 at 8:56 am to
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Far from threatening Facebook and Google, such a legal change could be the greatest gift one can give them, which is why their executives are often seen calling on Congress to regulate the social media industry.


FB has advertising now pushing this. Saw the same commercial from them several times last night about internet regulations needing to be updated.
Posted by 20 ton
BR
Member since Aug 2013
936 posts
Posted on 10/6/21 at 9:12 am to
Having hard fast ,evenly applied rules would be the ideal. While many want to string up their perceived version of traitors, few if any are actively promoting violence. I find it hard not to hope for Nancy to have an aneurysm next time Trump gets her worked up. I wasn’t raised that way but she has earned it.

Even the few classic liberals like Greenwald can see how this is agenda driven. They have slowed the flow of real discussion and in effect killed people.

I’m trying not to support these oligarchs I’m not on Facebook. This will be my last apple product once it reaches its planned obsolescence. Very rarely use Amazon. Need to get off Google. It’s what I can do today.

Congress repealing 230 might cause more censorship but most should be aimed at the left if the law is applied evenly.
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