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re: Real question: Who deserves credit for 2019
Posted on 10/3/21 at 9:12 pm to p&g
Posted on 10/3/21 at 9:12 pm to p&g
"Anybody but swamp king"
100% spot on.
Actually, as awesome as Burrow played that season, and as good as Brady and Aranda coached in 2019, o should get the lion's share of the credit.
He was the guy in charge. It was his team and his coaching staff.
That's why he should get the majority of the blame for last season and this season up to date. He's the head coach. He's the one responsible.
100% spot on.
Actually, as awesome as Burrow played that season, and as good as Brady and Aranda coached in 2019, o should get the lion's share of the credit.
He was the guy in charge. It was his team and his coaching staff.
That's why he should get the majority of the blame for last season and this season up to date. He's the head coach. He's the one responsible.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 9:16 pm to Rou Leed
This fan base needs to get over the obsession with always assigning credit/blame to individual coaches and players. It’s a team game. Everybody has a job to do.
Joe Burrow’s job was to play quarterback, and he did that at the highest level we have ever seen at LSU. But do I think he goes 15-0, wins a Heisman and a nation title, and becomes the #1 overall draft pick if he’s playing LSU’s schedule with Southeastern’s roster/staff? No, probably not.
Does Ja’Marr Chase win the Biletnikoff if Jordan Jefferson is throwing him the football? No, probably not.
It’s all relative, and it all comes down to how well each individual does their job. Burrow’s job is to be the best QB he can be. He did that in 2019 and he has continued to do that in the NFL. Chase and Jefferson need to run clear routes, catch the ball, and make plays. They did that in 2019 and have continued to do that in the NFL.
Which brings us to the elephant in the room. It’s a lot easier to judge players than coaches, IMO. Each game is its own performance/sample for a player. You still want to see them do it with different pieces around them, but you can tell a lot about a player from a single season.
Head coaches are different, especially in college. So much of their success/failure comes down to putting the pieces together rather than individual game performances. That mostly happens in the off-season. Orgeron put the pieces together in 2019. There’s no question. But he clearly failed to do that in 2020, and it appears he has failed to do that in 2021 as well.
That doesn’t mean he deserves any less credit for 2019. But it does mean that it’s reasonable to question whether he can do it again.
Joe Burrow’s job was to play quarterback, and he did that at the highest level we have ever seen at LSU. But do I think he goes 15-0, wins a Heisman and a nation title, and becomes the #1 overall draft pick if he’s playing LSU’s schedule with Southeastern’s roster/staff? No, probably not.
Does Ja’Marr Chase win the Biletnikoff if Jordan Jefferson is throwing him the football? No, probably not.
It’s all relative, and it all comes down to how well each individual does their job. Burrow’s job is to be the best QB he can be. He did that in 2019 and he has continued to do that in the NFL. Chase and Jefferson need to run clear routes, catch the ball, and make plays. They did that in 2019 and have continued to do that in the NFL.
Which brings us to the elephant in the room. It’s a lot easier to judge players than coaches, IMO. Each game is its own performance/sample for a player. You still want to see them do it with different pieces around them, but you can tell a lot about a player from a single season.
Head coaches are different, especially in college. So much of their success/failure comes down to putting the pieces together rather than individual game performances. That mostly happens in the off-season. Orgeron put the pieces together in 2019. There’s no question. But he clearly failed to do that in 2020, and it appears he has failed to do that in 2021 as well.
That doesn’t mean he deserves any less credit for 2019. But it does mean that it’s reasonable to question whether he can do it again.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 9:17 pm to Rou Leed
You want to keep O, we got it
Posted on 10/3/21 at 9:19 pm to Rou Leed
It’s a team effort.
Everyone deserves credit for something.
Aranda got the defense rolling in the playoffs.
Joe Brady fixed the offense.
E helped find Joe Brady.
O didn’t settle for good enough and went looking for someone to help fix the offense and agreed to Joe Brady. He also helped get Burrow here. He recruited that 2017 class that was a huge part of the team.
I dont Want to take away what O did right, but it is looking like he got there in an unsustainable way.
Hiring coordinators via trial and error isn’t a long term solution.
Everyone deserves credit for something.
Aranda got the defense rolling in the playoffs.
Joe Brady fixed the offense.
E helped find Joe Brady.
O didn’t settle for good enough and went looking for someone to help fix the offense and agreed to Joe Brady. He also helped get Burrow here. He recruited that 2017 class that was a huge part of the team.
I dont Want to take away what O did right, but it is looking like he got there in an unsustainable way.
Hiring coordinators via trial and error isn’t a long term solution.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 9:51 pm to oldskule
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JOE BURROW, period.
I saw him play Thursday and thought the same thing. He has Cinncy winning and they suck bad! He is a once in a generation QB that was way beyond his years with FB IQ at LSU dangerous combinations.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 9:53 pm to Rou Leed
O deserves credit. He had to put the pieces together. He didn’t inherit the 2019 team.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 9:54 pm to Rou Leed
2 men. Joe Burrow. Dave aranda.
Posted on 10/3/21 at 9:58 pm to Rou Leed
1. Burrow
2. Brady
3. Aranda
2. Brady
3. Aranda
Posted on 10/3/21 at 10:07 pm to Tiger Ryno
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O deserves credit. He had to put the pieces together. He didn’t inherit the 2019 team.
If you don’t give him credit for success then you can’t blame him for failure. It’s like when your kid studies and focuses and gets an A on a test, then dogs it and loses focus and gets an F on the next text. It’s not complicated. O is currently in the 2nd phase of this example for you slow learners. (Hanging out with women half your age could be the cause).
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