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I'm looking at a 500k Variable Life insurance policy with Equitable Life Insurance and...

Posted on 9/22/21 at 4:07 pm
Posted by 1723lale
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2010
2231 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 4:07 pm
I am 62 years old. Rep is quoting me a annual rate of $12,725.00 a year for 15 years, and after that the premiums stop with the policy paying for itself until I'm 96. Can anyone tell me the likelihood of the annual rate going up in future years with Equitable? I'm hearing from a different advisor that the rate most definitely will go up, but the Equitable Advisor has told me that they have not gone up on this type of policy in over 150 years.. He's saying the only way it would is for a world altering event. Does anyone have helpful input in regards to this? TYIA
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
18892 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 6:11 pm to
I would not mix risk with indemnity. No reason to. Markets can depress, and have, and can kill the coverage. Happened in the 2000s. Look at the guarantee column on that illustration. Also read the increases in premium at older ages within the policy document.

All of this is my informed opinion.
Posted by Skippy1013
Lafayette, La
Member since Oct 2017
769 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 6:31 pm to
He’s using projections based on an unknown future return on your sub accounts. If the markets you invest in perform to his projections, you will be fine. But what if we go into a long Bear Market? If that happens it will not be near his projections.

The internal policy expenses and the cost of insurance will likely stay just as he says, but all of that cash performance is the key. That accumulation of money in the sub accounts is what pays for the rising cost of insurance as you age.

You should not accept his projections as fact…
Posted by rphtx
CO
Member since Apr 2018
1535 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:25 pm to
err..Covid being a world altering event lol!?! Sorry, but who knows if you took a vax or not as to whether they pay out in the future. Life insurance at this point is exercise and couple years food stores.

In any case, if you saved 13k a year for 15 years in a bank you'd save 200k. If you invested the 13k a year on your own and turned a 10-15% profit per year for 15 years, you'd do the same or better without having to hope the insurance company hasn't invested your money over the 15 years to turn down the claim. There are so many 'outs' where they don't have to pay the claim its sick. Keep your money, invest it yourself.
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
932 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:08 pm to
Have you considered buying term life? I’m in my early 60’s and was shopping personal life insurance 4 years ago, I was looking for $700,000 and whole life and variable life were just too cost prohibitive. I contacted Policy Genius and SelectQuote and got recommended companies and policies.
I had history of high BP and cholesterol but still got a 20 year policy for the amount I needed and saved $10,000.00 a year compared to the variable and whole life quotes.
It only lasts 20 years but I have the option to convert half the value in whole life till I’m 68. It allows me to invest the money I saved, in 20 years I’ll have invested $200,000 that I would have spent on insurance and I still have good protection for my loved ones.
Posted by GeauxHome
Member since Feb 2008
135 posts
Posted on 9/22/21 at 11:29 pm to
Perhaps he’s buying the policy for tax free income by taking loans from the policy. Sounds like an unlimited Roth option to me. Not the same situation as term. This is living income versus income replacement.
Posted by HighlyFavoredTiger
TexLaArk
Member since Jun 2018
932 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:02 am to
Yeah you may be right
Posted by LSUtiger89
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4499 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:24 am to
So the additional fees + rising Cost of Insurance (variable is annual renewable term inside it) vs taxes. It still doesn’t make sense.
In the Variable he will be paying high fees. The cost of insurance will go up with also affects the return of cash as a lot of the policies start making loans out of the cash to pay the fees and COI. Then you have interest applied to the loan. People try to get to cute around taxes and end up hurting themselves worse in the long run. Long term your long term capital gains will be cheaper most likely than your fees, coi, and loan interest.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35371 posts
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:56 pm to
quote:

Perhaps he’s buying the policy for tax free income by taking loans from the policy. Sounds like an unlimited Roth option to me. Not the same situation as term. This is living income versus income replacement.
I mean with the amount of money he’s going to be putting in, and with a number of brokerages (interactive brokers; M1 Finance; Robinhood) offering low rate margin loans, low enough that they’ll still be low even if rates rise, why not just put it in a taxable account where he has the flexibility, liquidity, and control over investment choices to access the money however he wants (sell plus tax loss harvesting to minimize capital gains, margin, etc.)?
Posted by Bdiddy
Member since Jul 2021
308 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 8:46 am to
These policies have only been around for about 40 years. If it shows lapsing at age 96, I would guess that an increase in expenses, or underperforming the illustrated return would lapse it sooner. There is also a sequence of return risk, meaning that expenses and mortality will be withdrawn during a down market. If you Google Vanguard Capital Markets projection, they have U.S. equities at 2.4-4.4% per year for the next 10 years with growth stocks being flat. If they are correct, expenses count more than ever.
Posted by FlyingTiger1955
Member since Jan 2019
5765 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 6:21 pm to
There’s information missing. Is your agent recommending insurance because you have a need for the coverage? Are you replacing an existing policy and rolling over cash value from that policy? How much existing life insurance do you have? Do you realize that it may take up to 10 years before cash value exceeds your premiums paid? Is this your idea or did he approach you with an idea? Depending on the assumptions used, you may have to increase your premium later to offset lower than expected returns. Also guaranteed values in these policies are not the same as traditional whole life guarantees.
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