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In defense of Max, he played with his hands tied.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:14 am
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:14 am
A big part of Max’s game is his ability to run. Due to MB being hurt, they tell him not to run. They fear if he gets hurt, they lose games with a true freshman. Well, you losing games anyway. Let the player be the player he is and use his strengths to help win games.
Second, O’s philosophy, and we have seen it with 3 of four o.c’s now, is protection first. Therefore, you didn’t have rbs in shorter routs like we had with Clyde. He doesn’t have quick outlets for the blitz.
Third, he doesn’t have a run game or an above average line to give him time to make clean throws.
With the above noted, he had a few bad throws, however, for the most part he was accurate, making the right reads, and a hell of a lot better qb than we have had in the past for the exception of 9.
I think he’s getting to much criticism.
Second, O’s philosophy, and we have seen it with 3 of four o.c’s now, is protection first. Therefore, you didn’t have rbs in shorter routs like we had with Clyde. He doesn’t have quick outlets for the blitz.
Third, he doesn’t have a run game or an above average line to give him time to make clean throws.
With the above noted, he had a few bad throws, however, for the most part he was accurate, making the right reads, and a hell of a lot better qb than we have had in the past for the exception of 9.
I think he’s getting to much criticism.
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Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:16 am to dos crystal
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I think he’s getting to much criticism.
Max missed some easy throws. Not just one, but several. His mechanics seem to have fallen back.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:16 am to dos crystal
quote:honestly not impressed with his running when he did take off.
A big part of Max’s game is his ability to run
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:16 am to dos crystal
Good coaches put their players in postions to be successful, they adjust. UCLA used blitzes and disguises to rattle Max and we didn't adjust. Screen or draw would have been nice..
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:17 am to dos crystal
He was starting for the third time. He made some mistakes but he got no help from the run game. UCLA was blitzing almost every play, Max did well under the circumstances. We have to find a run game and fast.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:18 am to deaux
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A big part of Max’s game is his ability to run
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honestly not impressed with his running when he did take off.
Agree
But I think this offense was set up for Brennan. Not Max.
The offense definitely did not play to his strength.
However, I think Brennan wins the game. His passing would have opened up the field, Max let the defense just collapse on the middle.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 8:19 am
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Max missed some easy throws. Not just one, but several. His mechanics seem to have fallen back
I don’t think it was just mechanics. He was a little late on reads and just does not have the arm strength to compensate for that. I think, as the year goes on, this will fix itself. He’ll start to read faster. Will he reach The Matrix level, like Burrow did? We’ll see. His arm strength will get better as his body matures. His is probably similar to Burrow’s when Burrow was in his second year.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:20 am to dos crystal
He played well when it was 2, 1, throw or run... when he tried to look for the 3rd option or down the field - this is when things went wrong.
Very solid game especially with no rush attack and limited pass protection, and 3rd start.
Very solid game especially with no rush attack and limited pass protection, and 3rd start.
This post was edited on 9/7/21 at 8:21 am
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:21 am to dos crystal
No one is blaming Max
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:21 am to dos crystal
I don't blame Max. The coaches couldn't figure out how to counter UCLA's blitzes.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:22 am to Penrod
quote:he threw off his back foot, or even jumping in the air, on half of his throws. He refused to step up into the pocket and continuously ran backwards directly into the outside pressure of the DEs.
I don’t think it was just mechanics.
I'm 90% sure that if we had any competent coaches, they would've corrected that at some point. See the last TD to Boutte. He stepped up into his throw and threw a dime. His mechanics were wildly off because he was scared, backing up, and throwing off his back foot.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:24 am to hashtag
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he threw off his back foot, or even jumping in the air, on half of his throws. He refused to step up into the pocket and continuously ran backwards directly into the outside pressure of the DEs.
Fact. On most of his missed throws, he was throwing WAY off balance, and it wasn't even necessary.
Neither LSU's offense nor defense adapted to UCLA though. UCLA made the correct adjustments.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:25 am to dos crystal
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A big part of Max’s game is his ability to run. Due to MB being hurt, they tell him not to run.
I think this is probably true, but then it begs the question- why was Max bailing from the pocket so early if he's not "allowed" to run? Multiple times he abandoned a decent pocket too quickly to roll out and cut his receiving options in half.
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With the above noted, he had a few bad throws, however, for the most part he was accurate, making the right reads, and a hell of a lot better qb than we have had in the past for the exception of 9.
I agree that he's generally accurate. I disagree that he makes the "right reads". He generally doesn't put the ball in harm's way, but he doesn't go through his progressions fully imo. If the first or maybe second option isn't open quickly, he looks to bail out of the pocket. It's been that way since he took over against Florida.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:26 am to dos crystal
Playcalling hurt Max. Yes, he didn’t make crucial throws…not defending that. But when a team is blitzing 70% of the time…you have to counter. There were no screens, no RPO, nothing.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:28 am to Penrod
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and just does not have the arm strength to compensate for that.
Early in the game the play calling hurt Max, but he cannot consistently make downfield throws. He's way too slow reacting to set up plays downfield.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:29 am to deaux
Max is not a runner.
He's a game manager first, a passer second. He's asked to do RPO's and to do that effectively one must threaten to run. He threatens.
He's a game manager first, a passer second. He's asked to do RPO's and to do that effectively one must threaten to run. He threatens.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:29 am to bstew3006
quote:qb has some responsibility to call hot routes or look for quickest routes. apparently he nor the coaches know how to counter blitzes.
There were no screens, no RPO, nothing.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:30 am to RogerTheShrubber
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But I think this offense was set up for Brennan. Not Max.
If you think Brennan would’ve made it in this pressure you’re dead wrong. No matter who was back there they were going to get their arse whipped.
Our coaches set max or who ever lined up back there for failure. Zero adjustments. Zero effective play calling
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:30 am to dos crystal
The pass protection and the running game was abysmal. He had absolutely no help. Max was among the least of the problems on offense.
Posted on 9/7/21 at 8:31 am to TigerinKorea
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Max was among the least of the problems on offense.
No, you need a QB that can open up the field, Max is not that QB.
I don't think he was the primary problem but I know Myles would have made many of those throws Max couldn't.
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