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Picard Vs Sisko (Borg Question)
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:01 am
I just got done watching TNG when they saved a Borg and he (Hue) shows individuality. The original game plan by Picard was to implant coding that would get back to the collective and ultimately shut down the entire race of Borg. Having determined Hue as an individual, he chose not to do it.
Sisko was faced with hard decisions in DS9 when in war. My question would be, would Sisko have done the same or made the decision to eliminate the Borg knowing of their technology superiority and threat to mankind and other species.
Sisko was faced with hard decisions in DS9 when in war. My question would be, would Sisko have done the same or made the decision to eliminate the Borg knowing of their technology superiority and threat to mankind and other species.
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Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:06 am to sportsaddit68
im sorry to hijack but i have always wanted to watch all of the star trek series...... where should i start?
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:13 am to sportsaddit68
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I just got done watching TNG when they saved a Borg and he (Hue) shows individuality. The original game plan by Picard was to implant coding that would get back to the collective and ultimately shut down the entire race of Borg. Having determined Hue as an individual, he chose not to do it.
Sisko was faced with hard decisions in DS9 when in war. My question would be, would Sisko have done the same or made the decision to eliminate the Borg knowing of their technology superiority and threat to mankind and other species.
That's an easy one. Sisko would have done it. If you watched "In the Pale Moonlight" episode of DS9 where Sisko conspires with Garrak to falsify information to get the Romulans to join the war that resulted in the assassination of a Romulan Ambassador and Sisko in his person log says he can live with it makes my position better strong.
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 9:14 am
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:19 am to CarRamrod
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where should i start?
star trek, season 1 episode 1 "the man trap"
September 8, 1966
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In the episode, the crew visit an outpost on planet M-113 to conduct routine medical exams on the residents, only to be attacked by a shapeshifting alien who kills by extracting salt from the victim's body.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:23 am to CarRamrod
Sisko would have done it.
Find a top ten episode list for TOS and TNG. After that, you should know whether you want to continue.
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i have always wanted to watch all of the star trek series...... where should i start?
Find a top ten episode list for TOS and TNG. After that, you should know whether you want to continue.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:30 am to CarRamrod
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im sorry to hijack but i have always wanted to watch all of the star trek series...... where should i start?
Doesn't matter much really, with the exception of doing TNG before Voyager, they both deal with the Borg and Q, etc.
Enterprise is the latest made, but it's actually before Kirk in the time line.
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 9:34 am
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:33 am to cgrand
i have them all downloaded on my plex server, i just wanted to know that order. TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:38 am to CarRamrod
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Watch Enterprise as well. Some will say it's not good, but I really enjoyed it.
If I were going through them again, I would go Enterprise, TOS, TNG, Voyager, DS9.
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 9:39 am
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:42 am to CarRamrod
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im sorry to hijack but i have always wanted to watch all of the star trek series...... where should i start?
If you are familiar with Star Trek, I'd start with the original series movies, then watch Star Trek the Next Generation. Move on to DS9 from there.
Most will disagree with me.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 9:57 am to CU_Tigers4life
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That's an easy one. Sisko would have done it. If you watched "In the Pale Moonlight" episode of DS9 where Sisko conspires with Garrak to falsify information to get the Romulans to join the war that resulted in the assassination of a Romulan Ambassador and Sisko in his person log says he can live with it makes my position better strong.
This is what made the debate for me though. He was ok with the killing of one for the many, but this would be genocide of an entire race. I still debate if he is ok with it after having a one on one conversation with Hue.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:14 am to sportsaddit68
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This is what made the debate for me though. He was ok with the killing of one for the many, but this would be genocide of an entire race. I still debate if he is ok with it after having a one on one conversation with Hue.
Sisko was at a different point. He was beaten down from the war and casualties and just wanted it to end. It would depend on when Sisko had the "talk".
In retrospect, Picard's hatred on the Borg seem to eat away at him. When he talked with Hugh, was at a point to be open to reason. If you look at him during the Movie "First Contact" his scars from the Borg abduction has been eating at him to the point where he wanted revenge. He was willing to kill his own crewmen to avoid assimilation.
Picards Rant on the Borg is classic:
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Sisko's Final Captains Log on "In the Pale moonlight"
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Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:17 am to sportsaddit68
quote:Would he view the Borg that way? Or as a disease to be eradicated?
genocide of an entire race
Posted on 8/25/21 at 10:37 am to Master of Sinanju
While Picard had the anger build in him, I can't forget the fact that Sisko's wife died at the Battle of Wolf 359. That's where he hatred of Picard comes from. Thinking about that, Sisko might not have had a Guinan figure to convince him to visit the Borg member. He might have just went with the plan.
Posted on 8/25/21 at 11:03 am to sportsaddit68
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y question would be, would Sisko have done the same or made the decision to eliminate the Borg knowing of their technology superiority and threat to mankind and other species.
Sisko would have absolutely done the right thing and eliminated the Borg.
There is no moral conflict in committing genocide on a genocidal race, IMHO. Picard manufactured one for, uh, "reasons"?
Posted on 8/25/21 at 11:06 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Sisko's Final Captains Log on "In the Pale moonlight"
Bottom line:
(And this is, among many other reasons, what makes DS9 better than TNG. Fight me.)
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 11:06 am
Posted on 8/25/21 at 11:43 am to Ace Midnight
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(And this is, among many other reasons, what makes DS9 better than TNG. Fight me.)
Do I have the option to join you?
Posted on 8/25/21 at 12:01 pm to CU_Tigers4life
Sisko would have done it without a doubt. Sisko threatened to bomb women and children from orbit just to make someone surrender.
Sisko was a pragmatist and Picard that made the decision not to send it was an idealist/optimist. Picard of First Contact would have released it too.
DS9 and TNG are two different types of shows. TNG never had the serialized running themes year after year like DS9. Its like comparing apples to oranges.
DS9 is as good as if not better than Battlestar Galatica. I will say this DS9 has the absolute best episode of any Star Trek series, watch The Visitor. You need to watch the first 3 seasons to understand the relationship between Jake and Ben. Classic story about a son's love for his father.
Sisko was a pragmatist and Picard that made the decision not to send it was an idealist/optimist. Picard of First Contact would have released it too.
DS9 and TNG are two different types of shows. TNG never had the serialized running themes year after year like DS9. Its like comparing apples to oranges.
DS9 is as good as if not better than Battlestar Galatica. I will say this DS9 has the absolute best episode of any Star Trek series, watch The Visitor. You need to watch the first 3 seasons to understand the relationship between Jake and Ben. Classic story about a son's love for his father.
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 8/25/21 at 12:44 pm to FreddieMac
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Sisko would have done it without a doubt. Sisko threatened to bomb women and children from orbit just to make someone surrender.
Correction:
Sisko actually did bomb a presumed Maquis colony with a biogenic weapon forcing the to evacuate as a way to force Michael Eddington to surrender. It worked.
In this discussion, we've establish Picard and Sisko are pretty ruthless when obsessed with vengence.
This post was edited on 8/25/21 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 8/25/21 at 1:06 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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In this discussion, we've establish Picard and Sisko are pretty ruthless when obsessed with vengence.
Shall we throw in what Kirk or Janeway would have done? Lol
Posted on 8/25/21 at 1:45 pm to Ace Midnight
plus Sisko lost his wife to the Borg and blamed JLP for helping them as Locutus
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