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Posted on 5/20/21 at 6:30 pm to
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23215 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 6:30 pm to
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I’m intrigued by three separate supposed barristers defending police shooting an unarmed women who posed no imminent threat to anyone in the same thread.

Fascinating.

All with not a single legal argument.


It's a somewhat subjective determination. Generally, lethal force is justified if the officer has a reasonable belief that lethal force is necessary to prevent imminent death or serious injury. The cops there behind that door (and around the entire Capitol) were extremely outnumbered. Had that door gone down, a flood of people would have come through putting the lives of the members of congress in danger.

Again, it's very sad all the way around. Given the totality of the circumstances though, I can understand the fear of that crowd overrunning them as soon as one person started to come through.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19496 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 6:34 pm to
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It's a somewhat subjective determination. Generally, lethal force is justified if the officer has a reasonable belief that lethal force is necessary to prevent imminent death or serious injury. The cops there behind that door (and around the entire Capitol) were extremely outnumbered. Had that door gone down, a flood of people would have come through putting the lives of the members of congress in danger.


Sure. Then we have to take every police officers word when they say they feared for their lives. If it's subjective who are you to tell a cop they aren't afraid for their life?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111758 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 6:41 pm to
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It's a somewhat subjective determination. Generally, lethal force is justified if the officer has a reasonable belief that lethal force is necessary to prevent imminent death or serious injury.


In a non-politicized setting where justice was a concern, that cop is facing charges. It’s not that subjective. His actions didn’t meet the Capitol police use of force policy.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
30172 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 6:52 pm to
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. Had that door gone down, a flood of people would have come through putting the lives of the members of congress in danger.


Try shooting someone outside your closed door and then say “if they came in I might be in danger” and see how quickly you are found guilty of murder.
Posted by Category5
Member since Mar 2019
292 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:24 pm to
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 I can understand the fear 


What would a reasonable man do?

Seeing how the other officers didn't fire their weapons, a reasonable man would not have shot her.
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