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re: 158 years ago this evening, Stonewall Jackson was shot by his own men...
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:15 am to Hester Carries
Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:15 am to Hester Carries
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If Stonewall doesnt die, the CSA wins the war (or at the very least, avoids defeat)
Absurd! The CSA had no chance against the USA. The asymmetry in factories, etc meant it was a matter of time. Their ports were blockaded, and they had no means to sustain themselves in a protracted war.
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 11:18 am to Penrod
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Absurd! The CSA had no chance against the USA. The asymmetry in factories, etc meant it was a matter of time. Their ports were blockaded, and they had no means to sustain themselves in a protracted war.
Plus, their one submarine had 100 percent fatalities for its crew...on BOTH of its missions.
Posted on 5/2/21 at 1:34 pm to Penrod
quote:you are so ignorant of the truth. Jackson would have burned DC to the ground before any of that mattered. That's just a fact. I couldn't care less who won but they were able to take plenty of weapons and ammunition from the union soldiers.
Absurd! The CSA had no chance against the USA. The asymmetry in factories, etc meant it was a matter of time. Their ports were blockaded, and they had no means to sustain themselves in a protracted war.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 4:27 am to Penrod
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Absurd! The CSA had no chance against the USA. The asymmetry in factories, etc meant it was a matter of time. Their ports were blockaded, and they had no means to sustain themselves in a protracted war.
War is far more complicated and unpredictable than this and have political factors that can influence outcomes. Will is always an intangible. I'm not saying that Stonewall living would have changed the ultimate outcome of the war, but to suggest the USA was an inevitable winner in any scenario is rather absurd and simplistic.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 6:27 am to Penrod
Revisionists speak always of Lee and his essentially circuitous movements in NoVa. They tend to overlook the fact that the CSA was getting rolled up in the West. Virginia was more of a side show to the action in TN,Ms, LA and later GA. The worst thing Meade did at Gettysburg is not sucking Lee further in, prohibiting his retreat, avoiding any chance at supply .
Lee doesn't have the best record at invasion. HE gets chewed up at Antietam and ground down at Gettysburg. Jackson is good fighting on his own ground, but against larger numbers like the Peninsula, he is just another general...not bad, just not all that outstanding. He was fortunate in that his opposition at the time was inept. Grant however, was not inept.
Lee doesn't have the best record at invasion. HE gets chewed up at Antietam and ground down at Gettysburg. Jackson is good fighting on his own ground, but against larger numbers like the Peninsula, he is just another general...not bad, just not all that outstanding. He was fortunate in that his opposition at the time was inept. Grant however, was not inept.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 11:33 am to Penrod
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The asymmetry in factories, etc meant it was a matter of time.
While this is true, its also true time was not a friend to the North. If Stonewall survived, it is arguable that his skills could have continued to bleed the norths ranks enough for the general public to lose interest in continuing the fight.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 1:36 pm to Penrod
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Absurd! The CSA had no chance against the USA. The asymmetry in factories, etc meant it was a matter of time. Their ports were blockaded, and they had no means to sustain themselves in a protracted war.
Agreed, if the North decided to go all in there wouldn’t be any question they win. The south really never stood a chance even though they put up a valiant fight.
Posted on 5/3/21 at 10:12 pm to Penrod
In retrospect, the only real chance the Confederacy had to win the war was early on at the First Battle of Manasus. The damn yankees had thrown down their weapons and were running back to Washington. General Jackson wanted to cross the Potomac and go right into Washington and go for the kill right then and there. The yankees didn't want to fight. They would have kicked that piece of shite Lincoln to the curb and sued for peace. But Lee said no. Things would have been much better for everybody. This country wouldn't be in the shape it's in now if the Confederacy had won. A confederation is the best form of government. Switzerland is a testament to that.
This post was edited on 5/3/21 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 5/4/21 at 3:48 pm to Penrod
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Absurd! The CSA had no chance against the USA
NVC & DPRK say hello...
It takes will to win. Lincoln, Grant, Sherman and a few others were the prime reason the union won.
What happens if Stonewall is at Gettysburg...a loss in Union territory would have been devastating as well as a route to march on DC...
There was a legitimate chance to terms if that happens. The nerve to fight in the north was already waning and Lincoln was losing support.
Now, yeah, the South had no business lasting even that long in that war. Yet there they were...because of Lee and Jackson.
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