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re: Friend just dies from the vaccine

Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:31 pm to
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:31 pm to
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But what if we don't see COVID as a risk?


Then your perception of risk is wrong. Covid isn't especially risky for those under about age 40 or so. You have somewhere between a 1 in 10,000 and a 1 in 50,000 chance of dying if you're between 18 and 40 depending on what numbers you use (the most conservative being the CDC and the most generous being the Stanford studies).

The vaccines have an exponentially lower amount of risk (roughly 1 in a million for clotting, and that's not even proven) with the benefit of reducing Covid infection entirely by 90 - 95% and severe Covid pretty much at 100%.

The risk analysis is pretty straightforward: if you think the vaccine is more risky than actually getting Covid, even as a healthy 30-something (which I am), then you're a goddmamn idiot.

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I've had the virus. Had a head cold for a couple of days and bad headache for a few hours. Before I got the virus, it didn't concern me. Now that I've had it - why does it matter how safe the vaccine is, I don't need it.


I had it as well. Still doesn't preclude me from getting the vaccine.

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All that said, let me ask you - does it not bother you how much outright lying there's been surrounding this whole shitshow? I mean they're calling some poor a-hole putting a bullet in his own brain a "COVID death" because he tested positive for the virus 30 days ago, though never exhibited symptoms. They've done this/similar things tens of thousands of times. Why?


Statistically, the number of people who "died with Covid" rather than "from Covid" could be 1/10th of what it actually was, and the vaccine would still be safer and would provide a significant degree of protection against future disease. Do people not understand basic fricking math?

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And shouldn't that be the context for everything else the ridiculously political medical industrial complex says/suggests?


Good Lord, I hope you don't have to take your Lipitor or have your kids vaxxed for school or go in for knee reconstruction soon.
This post was edited on 4/28/21 at 10:34 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18002 posts
Posted on 4/28/21 at 10:40 pm to
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Then your perception of risk is wrong. Covid isn't especially risky for those under about age 40 or so. You have somewhere between a 1 in 10,000 and a 1 in 50,000 chance of dying if you're between 18 and 40 depending on what numbers you use (the most conservative being the CDC and the most generous being the Stanford studies).

Oh, so you know better than me where I find risk and don't?

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The vaccines have an exponentially lower amount of risk (roughly 1 in a million for clotting, and that's not even proven) with the benefit of reducing Covid infection entirely by 90 - 95% and severe Covid pretty much at 100%


I don't need you to explain probabilities to me.

You simply don't understand a person that would rather suffer from a bad head cold for a few days than take a vaccine. And I'm not anti-vaxx. I'm just not as afraid of COVID as you are.

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tatistically, the number of people who "died with Covid" rather than "from Covid" could be 1/100th of what it actually was, and the vaccine would still be safer and would provide a significant degree of protection against future disease. Do people not understand basic fricking math?

It's not math that's not understood in this exchange.

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Good Lord, I hope you don't have to take your Lipitor or have your kids vaxxed for school or go in for knee reconstruction soon.

Again, you moronically assume things you cannot possibly know. My kids are fully vaccinated and I've had four knee surgeries (from college basketball). I have no problem with "medicine" - but what we've seen over the last twelve months that has you so f'n frightened of this virus - that ain't medicine.
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