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Florida Supreme Court: Voters too dumb to vote on recreational marijuana ballot initiative

Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:36 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:36 pm
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The summary’s unqualified use of the word “permits” strongly suggests that the conduct to be authorized by the amendment will be free of any criminal or civil penalty in Florida,” the majority held


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This reasoning is curious, because the summary explicitly states that it will legalize marijuana “under Florida law,” not federal law. And in 2014, the Florida Supreme Court held that a ballot summary about medical marijuana need not inform voters about an amendment’s impact on federal law, only state law. But on Thursday, without acknowledging it, the court quietly overruled this precedent. It declared that this summary “strongly suggests that the conduct to be authorized by the amendment will be free of any criminal or civil penalty in Florida.” Put differently, voters will think that, by amending their state constitution, they are somehow repealing or suspending the federal ban on marijuana. That, the court concluded, renders the initiative unlawful.


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Two justices—Jorge Labarga, a moderate, and Alan Lawson, a conservative—dissented. Lawson’s dissent is quite sharp: He condemned the majority opinion as “contrary to rational analysis,” a “non sequitur” that “violates basic principles of logic.” The court typically takes “a nonpaternalistic approach to our review, expecting voters to educate themselves regarding the details of a proposed amendment before voting.” It “presumes that voters possess a rudimentary knowledge of their government’s structure and of the laws governing their conduct.” That is especially true when citizens participate in the “core right of self-governance” by voting to amend their state constitution.



Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:37 pm to
Well voters are too dumb but it shouldnt be selectively applied to this

Should apply to presidential elections as well
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:39 pm to
Who challenged the law?
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20559 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:40 pm to
3 of the 5 no votes were appointees by TD's favorite governor. Last week he brought us a new sales tax, that goes directly to pay costs for businesses.
Posted by Cosmo
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:41 pm to
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Last week he brought us a new sales tax


Consumption taxes like sales tax dont bother me so much, everybody pays their share

frick income tax
This post was edited on 4/22/21 at 4:42 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:41 pm to
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Who challenged the law?


Florida’s AG
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83111 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:43 pm to
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3 of the 5 no votes were appointees by TD's favorite governor.


Yeah marijuana policy is always a strike against conservatives. Instead of taking a libertarian, freedom-favoring view, conservatives side with law enforcement and traditional war on drugs bullshite.

Of course on balance it’s all still preferable to what leftists offer.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20559 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:44 pm to
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Consumption taxes like sales tax dont bother me, everybody pays their share


When they're diverted from the general tax fund pool to cover unemployment taxes businesses should pay on their employees... and later will be used to cover commercial rental taxes businesses aren't ponying up for, I'm out as a supporter.

The unemployment tax would've cost employers $42 a year per employee. A meager 2 cents per hour. Now I'm dropping an extra 6 cents on every dollar I spend online. frick that.
This post was edited on 4/22/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted by CaTiger85
Member since Feb 2020
1394 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:45 pm to
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Last week he brought us a new sales tax, that goes directly to pay costs for businesses.


Do you have a link to this. I’d like to read about it.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109674 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:46 pm to
You're still pissed this dude lost, huh?

Posted by yankeeundercover
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:46 pm to
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20559 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:48 pm to
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You're still pissed this dude lost, huh?


Not in the slightest. Because Desantis does stupid shite I'm now a Gillum supporter?
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20559 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:51 pm to
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Do you have a link to this. I’d like to read about it.

LINK to an article on it

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"Revenue generated by the tax is first earmarked for the unemployment trust fund, which became depleted because of massive job losses during the COVID-19 pandemic. Businesses pay taxes that go into the trust fund and, without another source of money, would have faced higher taxes to replenish the fund."

"After the fund is replenished, the revenue will be used to make a major cut in the commercial-rent tax, long a target of business lobbying groups. Senate President Wilton Simpson, R-Trilby, and House Speaker Chris Sprowls, R-Palm Harbor, agreed to reduce the commercial rent tax from 5.5% to 2%."


Unemployment tax cost went from a paltry $7 per employee to a business killing $49. Literally 2 cents an hour is their justification to gobble up 6 cents on every e dollar.
This post was edited on 4/22/21 at 4:54 pm
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:51 pm to
It’s “high time” to get this issue over with. Marijuana should be legal. Any argument about why marijuana shouldn’t be legal can be said about alcohol... not to mention prescription pills that wreak havoc on our society.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40275 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:53 pm to
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Because Desantis does stupid shite I'm now a Gillum supporter?


Yes. It is well established TD law that if you don’t suck one politician’s dick, you obviously suck off his opponent.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:54 pm to
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expecting voters to educate themselves regarding the details of a proposed amendment before voting.” It “presumes that voters possess a rudimentary knowledge of their government’s structure and of the laws governing their conduct.”


Male landowners do this. They’re about the only ones.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20559 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 4:55 pm to
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Yes. It is well established TD law that if you don’t suck one politician’s dick, you obviously suck off his opponent.

hard to argue this is not true.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83111 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:22 pm to
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if you don’t suck one politician’s dick, you obviously suck off his opponent.


A lot of dick sucking to be done
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109674 posts
Posted on 4/22/21 at 5:24 pm to
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suck one politician’s dick,


Obviously another Gillum fan, I see.
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