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Lab and force fetch
Posted on 4/10/21 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 4/10/21 at 1:57 pm
My lab just turned 1 and has been with the trainer for 2.5 months. He came home bc the trainer will be at field trials the next 2 weeks so I have him for a little while.
My lab did not take to force fetch. The trainer said he tried several times to put him on the table and the dog basically tried to hang himself by his collar. He said he could burn with the ecollar but doesn’t want to go that route. He’s been using a “force-less fetch” approach. Its working but is soooo slow. He will bring back the mark all the way to hand but will not sit or heel with the mark being held. Typically he will drop it at this point.
The trainer gave me some tips and drills to do the next 2 weeks but has anyone had a similar problem. Did it resolve over time? I have a work friend who said his dog did the same. After his first hunting season, he went back to school for follow ups and took to holding all the way.
Any tips?
My lab did not take to force fetch. The trainer said he tried several times to put him on the table and the dog basically tried to hang himself by his collar. He said he could burn with the ecollar but doesn’t want to go that route. He’s been using a “force-less fetch” approach. Its working but is soooo slow. He will bring back the mark all the way to hand but will not sit or heel with the mark being held. Typically he will drop it at this point.
The trainer gave me some tips and drills to do the next 2 weeks but has anyone had a similar problem. Did it resolve over time? I have a work friend who said his dog did the same. After his first hunting season, he went back to school for follow ups and took to holding all the way.
Any tips?
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Posted on 4/10/21 at 5:53 pm to Success
Here goes, find another trainer.
Dog should hold, first step in the process and most important part of FF. 2.5 months and no FF tells me your guy can’t read dogs.
Force Less is Bull shite talk to explain his lack of dog knowledge.
I had some that needed all three methods; ear pinch, collar & toe hitch but I didn’t quit or make excuses. Now, it was a beotch getting them to release but they held like a vise when I was done. Wasn’t pretty but nobody ever gave me money for pretty.
Dog should hold, first step in the process and most important part of FF. 2.5 months and no FF tells me your guy can’t read dogs.
Force Less is Bull shite talk to explain his lack of dog knowledge.
I had some that needed all three methods; ear pinch, collar & toe hitch but I didn’t quit or make excuses. Now, it was a beotch getting them to release but they held like a vise when I was done. Wasn’t pretty but nobody ever gave me money for pretty.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 5:58 pm to KemoSabe65
Where do you live? I’ll bring him to you to break.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 6:11 pm to Success
Kemo is spot on once again. Find another trainer.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 6:21 pm to KemoSabe65
What this guy said...find another trainer.
I think some trainers get jaded on certain dogs and can’t get past to make progress. Same thing when you dislike someone in the office and think they are douche and will never work well with them on projects. Perhaps that is the case here.
New trainer is the shortest route to your goal in this case. You can always go back if plan B don’t work out.
I think some trainers get jaded on certain dogs and can’t get past to make progress. Same thing when you dislike someone in the office and think they are douche and will never work well with them on projects. Perhaps that is the case here.
New trainer is the shortest route to your goal in this case. You can always go back if plan B don’t work out.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 8:37 pm to Success
It would painfully expensive for you to bring me a dog 
I have had some tuff mf’ers but none of them could cheat the toe hitch, none. Had one that would shoot a turd like Roman candles every morning but he was off the table in 3-4 days.
shite isn’t rocket surgery you just have to read what the dog is telling you and many times improvise your training to fit his/her personality/demeanor.
Many are looking for the easy way out and maximize $$$. They typically will low rent a dog they can’t train in front of clients. I didn’t train everyone but they all got 100% for their money.
I have had some tuff mf’ers but none of them could cheat the toe hitch, none. Had one that would shoot a turd like Roman candles every morning but he was off the table in 3-4 days.
shite isn’t rocket surgery you just have to read what the dog is telling you and many times improvise your training to fit his/her personality/demeanor.
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I think some trainers get jaded on certain dogs and can’t get past to make progress. Same thing when you dislike someone in the office and think they are douche and will never work well with them on projects. Perhaps that is the case here.
Many are looking for the easy way out and maximize $$$. They typically will low rent a dog they can’t train in front of clients. I didn’t train everyone but they all got 100% for their money.
This post was edited on 4/10/21 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:09 am to KemoSabe65
Kemo trained a Lab for me. Hunted him for 13 years. Best dog I ever had. A Retrieving Machine. He knows his business.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 9:57 am to KemoSabe65
What kemosabe said
And who was the trsiner
And who was the trsiner
This post was edited on 4/11/21 at 9:59 am
Posted on 4/11/21 at 10:08 am to Success
When your dog is bringing back the bird or dummy as he gets close to you run from him and he will chase you. Before he can drop the bird stop and grab it out of his mouth. Make it fun for him to do. Progress from there.
This post was edited on 4/11/21 at 10:57 am
Posted on 4/11/21 at 10:22 am to Success
When I would obedience train my lab (sit stay heel down) I would change it up and put a dummy in her mouth and hold it their with my hands for a minute and tell her hold, hold. Then release and praise. Probably did it around a hundred times during the obedience sessions. Then grab something else like a hat, or a set of keys and throw it on the ground and tell her to fetch it up and then hold for 15 or so seconds and then grab it from her. If she drops it, I would tell her no, fetch it up. Repetitions and staying the course is key.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 12:15 pm to Success
It’s been stated but FF is the foundation. If you can’t get passed FF other things will break down the further you go. Which means your not getting full return on your money.
The dog CAN be FF. Dogs that have trouble getting thru will be fine once it’s over if they are not then you more than likely did not have a dog well suited for hunting. If the trainer is not committed to finishing FF i would either find another trainer or start asking some pointed questions about the dog and his assessment of the dog.
The dog CAN be FF. Dogs that have trouble getting thru will be fine once it’s over if they are not then you more than likely did not have a dog well suited for hunting. If the trainer is not committed to finishing FF i would either find another trainer or start asking some pointed questions about the dog and his assessment of the dog.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 12:49 pm to PSUMMERS
The trainer I am using is well known. I don’t want to say his name on here to start a shitting contest. One of the biggest charter guys in the state sends his dogs to him for years. He’s got many many dogs with various titles under his belt. I felt I vetted him well before choosing him.
But as I said before I’m becoming concerned and have been asking questions. He has told me he only has had 3 dogs give him this much trouble and mine is one of them. He’s working with 5 other dogs now all that have completed ff.
So do I tell him to do what it takes and torture the f out of him until he breaks? He’s told me he doesn’t want to do this to him. Give him another opportunity after speaking with him? Do I cut ties and find someone else?
But as I said before I’m becoming concerned and have been asking questions. He has told me he only has had 3 dogs give him this much trouble and mine is one of them. He’s working with 5 other dogs now all that have completed ff.
So do I tell him to do what it takes and torture the f out of him until he breaks? He’s told me he doesn’t want to do this to him. Give him another opportunity after speaking with him? Do I cut ties and find someone else?
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:02 pm to Success
Don’t let hunt test ribbons and the big time charter guy sway what you know now. Without seeing the dog on lead and in the field it’s hard to say what I or anyone else would do to fix him. Also, do not out trainer online (you’ll black ball yourself).
Will the dog hold waking at heel? Can you front finish and have him heel with a bumper in his mouth??
I disagree with FF being the foundation, HOLD is a one time deal you can’t fix after the fact. It’s the foundation you build your FF program around and it needs to be 99.9999% spot on.
Will the dog hold waking at heel? Can you front finish and have him heel with a bumper in his mouth??
I disagree with FF being the foundation, HOLD is a one time deal you can’t fix after the fact. It’s the foundation you build your FF program around and it needs to be 99.9999% spot on.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:09 pm to KemoSabe65
I’m not gonna out him. Besides all the reasons I mentioned, I called several “normal” clients. I had it narrowed to 3 trainers. I don’t like to waste money and did my due diligence.
He can hold walking at heel. He can hold all the way to hand. He will drop it at heel. That is where he struggles. He does better with ducks then bumpers.
He can hold walking at heel. He can hold all the way to hand. He will drop it at heel. That is where he struggles. He does better with ducks then bumpers.
This post was edited on 4/11/21 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 4/11/21 at 1:33 pm to Success
He needs my super top secret hold trick
What has been accomplished in 2.5 months?
Where are you located?
Mark Smith South Lake Kennels LaPlace is one of the best young dog trainers in America.
Ronnie Lee is across the line in Ms and a solid trainer.
Ricky Elston in Covington is a solid trainer.
Honestly, if your guy only has a five dog string and is full time there is something wrong. Red Flag wrong IMO.
Name@yahoo.com, leave a number and name. Will call you when time permits to discuss.
What has been accomplished in 2.5 months?
Where are you located?
Mark Smith South Lake Kennels LaPlace is one of the best young dog trainers in America.
Ronnie Lee is across the line in Ms and a solid trainer.
Ricky Elston in Covington is a solid trainer.
Honestly, if your guy only has a five dog string and is full time there is something wrong. Red Flag wrong IMO.
Name@yahoo.com, leave a number and name. Will call you when time permits to discuss.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 4:04 pm to Success
Kemo has given you the best advice. I am speaking from a perspective of some one who has paid for several dogs to be trained. I tried to train my first one and found out I have neither the time or the patients.
But I have spent enough money and dealt with enough trainers to know that if you are starting to get the feeling that you are getting strung along you probably are. I like a trainer who will give me a fair and accurate assessment of my dog and let me make my decision on what to do next.
As far as FF the trainers I have used when they start FF they finish
But I have spent enough money and dealt with enough trainers to know that if you are starting to get the feeling that you are getting strung along you probably are. I like a trainer who will give me a fair and accurate assessment of my dog and let me make my decision on what to do next.
As far as FF the trainers I have used when they start FF they finish
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:40 am to PSUMMERS
quote:
Kemo has given you the best advice. I am speaking from a perspective of some one who has paid for several dogs to be trained. I tried to train my first one and found out I have neither the time or the patients.
But I have spent enough money and dealt with enough trainers to know that if you are starting to get the feeling that you are getting strung along you probably are. I like a trainer who will give me a fair and accurate assessment of my dog and let me make my decision on what to do next.
I gave Sucess my primer for teaching Hold last night and hope he follows the steps. We should know something in a day or two from him on the progress.
If he were closer to LC i would teach the process to him and dog gratis.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:03 am to KemoSabe65
Appreciate kemosabe’s advice. Plan to work on this this week.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 9:17 pm to Success
Get a couple of the force fetch dummies. Do it in a less restrictive setting. Use the hand for light taps under the jaw. It was one of my least favorite parts of training a pup.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 11:06 am to KemoSabe65
Idk those guys personally but their names were always popping up on RTF.
The dog had been at the trainer and was just getting to FF at 10 months?
The dog had been at the trainer and was just getting to FF at 10 months?
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