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Japanese Maples
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:14 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:14 am
Does anyone in the BR area have experience with Japanese Maples? I'm in the process of having my pool built and my desire is to landscape it in more in a Japanese garden style. I'd love to get away with a Japanese maple somewhere near the pool. (I'll dig out my mockups in a minute and post them for ideas of sun exposure)
I have a few areas I think would support some of the smaller specimens in large pots as they get shaded in the afternoon due to house placement.
I guess the big question is how much shade is really required for a Japanese Maple to survive and hopefully thrive? Does it really need to be under a canopy of trees, or will some direct sun work?
I have a few areas I think would support some of the smaller specimens in large pots as they get shaded in the afternoon due to house placement.
I guess the big question is how much shade is really required for a Japanese Maple to survive and hopefully thrive? Does it really need to be under a canopy of trees, or will some direct sun work?
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:46 am to RaginCajunz
My parents had one for years that did well. It got sun mostly in the middle of the day and was in the shadow of a large tree in the afternoon. If I remember correctly, the large tree got taken out in Rita and the maple made it 2-3 years after and died.
I would think morning light and shaded in the afternoon would be ideal.
I wouldn't want one near a pool though. It may drop a lot of leaves in it depending on how close you plant it.
I would think morning light and shaded in the afternoon would be ideal.
I wouldn't want one near a pool though. It may drop a lot of leaves in it depending on how close you plant it.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 10:58 am to RaginCajunz
We had 3 or 4 of them in our yard, all different varieties. They all did fine in full sun. One was under the canopy of a trident maple for years, but we took the trident out and the Japanese maple under it did fine and got bigger with the increased space and sun.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:05 am to AllbyMyRelf
quote:Was that around Baton Rouge? (I saw Virginia under your name)
We had 3 or 4 of them in our yard, all different varieties. They all did fine in full sun. One was under the canopy of a trident maple for years, but we took the trident out and the Japanese maple under it did fine and got bigger with the increased space and sun.
I was thinking if it goes in the ground, something along these lines.
And here is a mockup I did of the backyard area. At the moment it is a gunite hole with tile and coping but no deck poured yet, so that may vary a tad in real life.
The big area to the left is a 12x16 slab for an eventual pavilion. This is correct in the top edge is due north, so the U patio shape gets some sun, but the Western side gets shaded around 1-2pm and more winter shade of course.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:14 am to RaginCajunz
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The most sun-tolerant cultivars are ‘Seiryu’ and ‘Sango Kaku,’ but the species Acer palmatum beats all the named cultivars for sun and heat tolerance.
This grower has a lot of good info. He is in Dallas but his advice would apply to LA too.
LINK
You might also look at "Forest Pansy" Redbud for the maroon leaf color and it can take full sun or shade.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 11:19 am
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:19 am to RaginCajunz
Bloodgood is a pretty bulletproof variety for full sun in south louisiana.
I love the green variety, but those need filtered sun and shade.
I'm not a free form pool fan, but i like what you have going on. You must not have kids that will be chunking those rocks in your pool
I love the green variety, but those need filtered sun and shade.
I'm not a free form pool fan, but i like what you have going on. You must not have kids that will be chunking those rocks in your pool
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:34 am to Geauxld Finger
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Bloodgood is a pretty bulletproof variety for full sun in south louisiana.
I love the green variety, but those need filtered sun and shade.
I'm not a free form pool fan, but i like what you have going on. You must not have kids that will be chunking those rocks in your pool
I do like the Bloodgood. I was admiring one at Clegg's over the weekend. I like the somewhat weeping form of it. There's a ton of varieties and I love almost all of them.
As far as kids and rocks. I already have rocked areas in the yard and those little bastards love throwing rocks. I occupied my eldest by giving him a hammer to sit behind my shed and crush rocks. He was in 8 year old heaven back there.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 11:43 am to RaginCajunz
Crimson Queen is another you will find at nurseries locally. It's usually that and Bloodgood. The others are kind of hard to find
I've had some good luck finding really nice size and shape Bloodgoods in a 30 gal 7-8 foot height and nice branching
I've had some good luck finding really nice size and shape Bloodgoods in a 30 gal 7-8 foot height and nice branching
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:00 pm to Geauxld Finger
I took a trip a few weeks ago to All Seasons Nursery in Lafayette. They weren't leafed out yet, but they stock at least 20 varieties. I went specifically to buy a Thunderhead Japanese Black Pine they had in stock. (again part of the overall Japanese garden goal)
It won't be right up on the pool, but in the general vicinity to help privatize the pool area a bit.
It won't be right up on the pool, but in the general vicinity to help privatize the pool area a bit.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 3:08 pm to RaginCajunz
Morning sun and afternoon shade would be ideal for your Japanese Maple tree. The sunilght should be filtered. If your site has poor drainage, improve your soil, create a raised bed, or use a large pot. Apply 2 to 3 inches of mulch to retain moisture and keep the soil temperature even. Try to keep the plant slightly moist for the first year coz it takes root. A drip system for watering works best. And remember that a little too dry is better than a little too wet.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 4:00 pm to RaginCajunz
got 8 in pots and another 7 in the ground around my house...my advice is as follows:
Bloodgood and Emporer 1 if upright, edge goes to bloodgood for South LA
Tamukeyama or Orangeola for weeping style...here is a tamukeyama:
If you have morning sun and afternoon shade, you should be fine. If blazing afternoon sun, you can try but leaves will probably fry in July/Aug.
Standard planting goes (1.5 times as wide as root ball) use acidic soil and add a shitload of half decomposted leaves/coffee grounds from under a low lying live oak.
Would not recommend putting it in the ground next to a pool, one cannonball and chlorine inundates and kills your tree.
If thats the case, use a planter - I recommend whiskey barrel with casters screwed in so you can move it around like this coral bark Ive got on my back porch now: :
Drill 6 1inch holes in the bottom, line with mesh then gravel about 1/2-3/4 high, then add the soil. Mulch 1 inch on the top with wood mulch.
Of them all, recommend in this order - bloodgood, tamukeyama, emperor, orangeola.
Beautiful trees with alot of character...all the best in your search.
think you might have the wrong one in mind, bloodgood is an upright tree, like a red maple.
Bloodgood and Emporer 1 if upright, edge goes to bloodgood for South LA
Tamukeyama or Orangeola for weeping style...here is a tamukeyama:
If you have morning sun and afternoon shade, you should be fine. If blazing afternoon sun, you can try but leaves will probably fry in July/Aug.
Standard planting goes (1.5 times as wide as root ball) use acidic soil and add a shitload of half decomposted leaves/coffee grounds from under a low lying live oak.
Would not recommend putting it in the ground next to a pool, one cannonball and chlorine inundates and kills your tree.
If thats the case, use a planter - I recommend whiskey barrel with casters screwed in so you can move it around like this coral bark Ive got on my back porch now: :
Drill 6 1inch holes in the bottom, line with mesh then gravel about 1/2-3/4 high, then add the soil. Mulch 1 inch on the top with wood mulch.
Of them all, recommend in this order - bloodgood, tamukeyama, emperor, orangeola.
Beautiful trees with alot of character...all the best in your search.
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I do like the Bloodgood. I was admiring one at Clegg's over the weekend. I like the somewhat weeping form of it. There's a ton of varieties and I love almost all of them.
think you might have the wrong one in mind, bloodgood is an upright tree, like a red maple.
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 4/6/21 at 4:51 pm to DomincDecoco
Thanks for the info. You know now that you mention it, it was not the bloodgood, but one called Red Dragon that had caught my eye for the beautiful form.
I'll re-read all of this later when I'm not at work and can google some of these varieties.
I'll re-read all of this later when I'm not at work and can google some of these varieties.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 5:01 pm to RaginCajunz
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it was not the bloodgood, but one called Red Dragon
Red dragon is another recommendation I was going to make
It will have the same form if you trim it...it may even be the one in the pick.
Plant it on the north or east side of your house...shade from noon on and you should be ok.
edit: I have one in a pot facing south and its done great the last 4 years...just dont want to give you bad advice. Leave it in the spot you want to plant it in the pot until this winter; that way youll know how its going to do
This post was edited on 4/6/21 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 6/3/21 at 11:50 am to DomincDecoco
I ended up buying a Tamukeyama maple a few weeks back from Louisiana Nursery half off. Beautiful, smaller weeping red lace leaf tree. It seems to be adjusting well to its life on my patio against a wall that shades it from the west.
My question is regarding potting it. Am I better served leaving it in the black plastic nursery pot until winter, or can I repot it into a slightly larger (and nicer) pot? I mulched it and it gets several deep waterings each week as needed. This is really about aesthetics.
My question is regarding potting it. Am I better served leaving it in the black plastic nursery pot until winter, or can I repot it into a slightly larger (and nicer) pot? I mulched it and it gets several deep waterings each week as needed. This is really about aesthetics.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 12:51 pm to RaginCajunz
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My question is regarding potting it. Am I better served leaving it in the black plastic nursery pot until winter, or can I repot it into a slightly larger (and nicer) pot? I mulched it and it gets several deep waterings each week as needed. This is really about aesthetics.
Sure you can do that this time of the year - you might want to score the outer edges of the rootball lightly before transferring it to the newer, slight larger pot if you find the rootball to be rootbound.
Though I didn’t post in your original thread, I wanted to alert you, and others, to a relatively new cultivar of Japanese maple named “Baton Rouge” that is very sun and heat tolerant. It was discovered near Houston. Difficult to find, mail order only. I have 1, a couple years old, it by far has the least amount of leaf scorching in summer of the sun and heat tolerant varieties I have. I’m trying to get a couple more when they become available. Attractive red bark, that stands out in winter.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 2:11 pm to CrawDude
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CrawDude
Very much appreciated as always Crawdude. I was worried that transferring pots in the heat might stress it too much.
I have now spent 30 minutes googling the Baton Rouge cultivar. I'm on a few email waiting lists now. Thanks for costing me $150
Posted on 6/3/21 at 3:10 pm to RaginCajunz
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Thanks for costing me $150
That was for a 5 gal size from Mr. Maples - the 1 gal size which is pretty much the majority of what they sell, are usually $35 + shipping. They’ll let you know when the 1 gal are available.
Pro tip: If and when you get the email of availability, don’t hesitate, and order it immediately, they might have only a dozen or so available, and I can guarantee you they’ll be sold out within a hour - I’ve learned that the hard way. All that said, knowing what I know now about “Baton Rouge”, I would pay $150 for a 5 gal size if it was available.
A couple others to look for from Mr. Maples that have good heat/sun tolerance when they become available are “Summer Gold” and “Hot Blonde”. Summer Gold will get a little leaf scorch in extreme heat of late summer (here in south LA), I have 2, can’t say that about “Hot Blonde” as I got it last fall and it hasn’t gone though a summer yet.
Posted on 6/3/21 at 3:15 pm to Geauxld Finger
quote:really? man box pools look so industrial and out of place in a back yard. Free form makes it fee more like it should be there.
I'm not a free form pool fan
Posted on 6/3/21 at 8:00 pm to RaginCajunz
Planted a few this year in Texas, will see how they fare. Gorgeous trees.
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