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Lonzo has hit more 3s than Trae Young this season
Posted on 3/10/21 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 3/10/21 at 10:33 pm
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Posted on 3/10/21 at 11:46 pm to GeneralDodo
Interesting stat, but they don’t shoot the same type of 3’s. 90% of Lonzo’s threes are assisted. Over 75% of Trae’s threes are created by himself. Trae also shoots 3-4 logo shots and over 9 fts a game, and averages over 9 asts a game. He is utterly trash on defense, but if the pels had Trae, Ingram and Zion we’d be a future title contender in the mold of the unstoppable offense and defense only when we feel like it/absolutely need it NJ Nets.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:14 am to 3PieceSpicy
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f the pels had Trae, Ingram and Zion we’d be a future title contender in the mold of the unstoppable offense and defense only when we feel like it/absolutely need it NJ Nets.
You are really underestimating how bad a Trae, Ingram, and Zion defense would be. That has historically bad written all over it. Also, Zion would lose his mind at some point watching Trae and Ingram pound the ball in the ground for 22 out 24 seconds. 
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:33 am to GeneralDodo
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With 1 less game with more attempts and a higher percentage. Wow. Trae stats Lonzo stats
Man. Why is this surprising tho?
Zo’s problem is not the 3 ball. His problem is that he struggles to draw fouls and make free throws, and hit mid range floaters etc, or finish.
Trae Young is an excellent finisher in the paint. And he has this little stop start on his drives, where makes the defender bump his backside ala CP3, and he draws shooting fouls constantly, and makes his FT’s.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 4:00 am to 504Voodoo
Oh, I know the defense would be plenty bad lol. I would hope we could surround them with 2 plus defenders and pray that Ingram and Zion could at least become average defensively. I feel like they both can do that in 2-3 years if they put their minds to it and Trae is easing their offensive burden. It would be a hella fun team though. Trae is a bit of a gunner, but he has elite playmaking ability as well. Also, the fact that trae will pull up from anywhere and shoot should theoretically create a lot of extra space for Zion to operate.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 6:49 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Interesting stat, but they don’t shoot the same type of 3’s. 90% of Lonzo’s threes are assisted. Over 75% of Trae’s threes are created by himself. Trae also shoots 3-4 logo shots and over 9 fts a game, and averages over 9 asts a game. He is utterly trash on defense, but if the pels had Trae, Ingram and Zion we’d be a future title contender in the mold of the unstoppable offense and defense only when we feel like it/absolutely need it NJ Nets.
how dare you speak truths and not suck lonzo off in every post. Downvotes for you.
You're not allowed to be critical of anything here, only sunshine.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 10:56 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:Do those count for more than 3 points? I think there was a specific comment and some want to take it in another direction.
Interesting stat, but they don’t shoot the same type of 3’s. 90% of Lonzo’s threes are assisted. Over 75% of Trae’s threes are created by himself. Trae also shoots 3-4 logo shots...
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:28 am to NOSHAU
I mean I think Lonzo’s improvement is admirable, but I would agree that I don’t think the framing of this thread provides proper context.
Digging deeper into the numbers basically the only time I would want Lonzo shooting that three over Trae is when Lonzo is passed the ball and moderately wide open(4-6 feet).
In basically any other context, including a super wide open shot, according to tracking data, you want Trae taking the shot.
Lonzo is good in that he more and more has learned to play within himself when it comes to shooting the three, but a one trick pony still only has one trick.
Digging deeper into the numbers basically the only time I would want Lonzo shooting that three over Trae is when Lonzo is passed the ball and moderately wide open(4-6 feet).
In basically any other context, including a super wide open shot, according to tracking data, you want Trae taking the shot.
Lonzo is good in that he more and more has learned to play within himself when it comes to shooting the three, but a one trick pony still only has one trick.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:22 pm to GeneralDodo
KOC went hard
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"If you're looking at players who are 23 and under right now, maybe Luka, Zion, Tatum. I mean, I'd take LaMelo right now over Trae Young and Ja Morant, no question about that.”
- Kevin O'Connor on young players he’d take over LaMelo Ball
(via “The Ringer NBA Show”) LINK
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:36 pm to TeddyPadillac
I don’t care about the votes lol. It’s good when you say something and it doesn’t echo. Discourse is healthy.
Stats are definitely useful, but we have to dig a bit below the surface sometimes.
It’s good people are excited about Lonzo, I am too to an extent, but trying to frame him as being a better long range shooter than Trae is a bit reckless. It is what it is. It’s an interesting stat, but we have to look at the context in which both stats were achieved.
Stats are definitely useful, but we have to dig a bit below the surface sometimes.
It’s good people are excited about Lonzo, I am too to an extent, but trying to frame him as being a better long range shooter than Trae is a bit reckless. It is what it is. It’s an interesting stat, but we have to look at the context in which both stats were achieved.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 1:17 pm to Bronc
quote:I don't think anyone implied Ball was better than Young. It was a statistical comparison only.
I mean I think Lonzo’s improvement is admirable, but I would agree that I don’t think the framing of this thread provides proper context.
Digging deeper into the numbers basically the only time I would want Lonzo shooting that three over Trae is when Lonzo is passed the ball and moderately wide open(4-6 feet).
In basically any other context, including a super wide open shot, according to tracking data, you want Trae taking the shot.
Lonzo is good in that he more and more has learned to play within himself when it comes to shooting the three, but a one trick pony still only has one trick.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 2:14 pm to GeneralDodo
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Lonzo Ball has made more threes this season than:
Trae Young
Luka Doncic
Jayson Tatum
Bradley Beal
Devin Booker
LeBron James
He also has a higher 3P% than all of the above players.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 3:01 pm to NOSHAU
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I don't think anyone implied Ball was better than Young. It was a statistical comparison only.
No but several people are attempting to infer based on surface box score stats that he is a better three point shooter.
Like I said, once you dig into the tracking stats, at least with regards to Trae, it becomes clear that really the only place Lonzo is more efficient is off catch and shoot with zero dribbles or moderately open off the catch. Which just so happens to be the overwhelming shot he takes.
But basically any other scenario: dribble transition, pull ups, wide open off the dribble in the half court or off the catch, iso, etc. Trae is still the superior shooter.
It’s like saying well, Maxi Kleiber and Christian Wood have a higher 3P% than Curry and Lillard, sure, if you ignore all the important context around how those percentages were generated.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 3:21 pm to GynoSandberg
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Lonzo Ball has made more threes this season than:
Trae Young
Luka Doncic
Jayson Tatum
Bradley Beal
Devin Booker
LeBron James
He also has a higher 3P% than all of the above players.
I think it's a little silly to compare people who are creating their own shots to players who largely rely on others to create for them.
The player who gets a good shot off the dribble is different than the catch and shoot player is different than the guy who runs off of three screens and shoots contested shots. Comparing them by raw percentages isn't very helpful.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 3:27 pm to TotesMcGotes
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I think it's a little silly to compare people who are creating their own shots to players who largely rely on others to create for them.
The player who gets a good shot off the dribble is different than the catch and shoot player is different than the guy who runs off of three screens and shoots contested shots. Comparing them by raw percentages isn't very helpful.
I'm sorry Totes, you're not allowed to think this way on Pels/Lonzo Talk.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 3:41 pm to TotesMcGotes
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The player who gets a good shot off the dribble is different than the catch and shoot player is different than the guy who runs off of three screens and shoots contested shots
And Lonzo right now is that middle guy.
And it’s those other two archetypes that are both harder to execute efficiently and much more valuable because they create so much more chaos for defenses.
It’s great what Lonzo has done, but I think it needs further context, including the very nature of this season where almost everyone is shooting better in these near empty arenas. I mean Bledsoe and Jrue are also having career years from three. Almost ten guys are poised to get in near the top of the all time single season FT% record in just this year. Which will be unheard of.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 3:42 pm to Bronc
quote:Didn't see that anywhere in the thread. The responses just show the hate for Ball in that the response is to discredit a simple statement by pointing out a perceived flaw.
No but several people are attempting to infer based on surface box score stats that he is a better three point shooter.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 3:44 pm to Bronc
quote:The improvements tied to the empty arenas does concern me some. What happens when the arenas are full again? Unfortunately for us, that may not come quickly enough before we are forced to make a contractual decision.
And Lonzo right now is that middle guy.
And it’s those other two archetypes that are both harder to execute efficiently and much more valuable because they create so much more chaos for defenses.
It’s great what Lonzo has done, but I think it needs further context, including the very nature of this season where almost everyone is shooting better in these near empty arenas. I mean Bledsoe and Jrue are also having career years from three. Almost ten guys are poised to get in near the top of the all time single season FT% record in just this year. Which will be unheard of.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 3:49 pm to NOSHAU
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Didn't see that anywhere in the thread.
OP can speak for himself if he wants, but dropping a thread where you simply draw attention to Lonzo shooting more threes at a higher efficiency in the aggregate sure comes off like wanting to infer he has been superior from three this season, and frankly, your snap back response also seemed to want to handwave away the people that came in to add additional context.
Maybe my interpretation is wrong, I certainly can’t read minds, but it’s hard to imagine what other conclusion OP wanted people to draw?
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 3:57 pm
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