I think "will of God" was erroneously injected into the conversation even though it was never really specified by anyone other than Nadler himself. While Steube's phraseology could be viewed in terms of "will of God," I believe his overarching sentiment had more to do with "God's design," as he specifically stated. There is a distinction there. "Will of God" is more proactive and specific than is the more generalized and vague concept of "God's design".

Also, regarding your statements about our government not being a theology: while that's technically correct, the Declaration of Independence lays out the general concept of the Founding Fathers' intended foundation of our entire governance.....it all starts with a few rights "endowed by our Creator," specifically the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Starts with those gifts from the Creator. And to achieve those God-given rights, the government is to proceed in xyz manner.

Mind you, I'm pretty much taking out of my rear end, but I'm pretty confident in it anyway. Looks good on paper at least.

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Posted by L.A.

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Posted on 2/27/21 at 6:02 pm to davyjones

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Also, regarding your statements about our government not being a theology: while that's technically correct, the Declaration of Independence lays out the general concept of the Founding Fathers' intended foundation of our entire governance.....it all starts with a few rights "endowed by our Creator," specifically the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Starts with those gifts from the Creator. And to achieve those God-given rights, the government is to proceed in xyz manner.

Well the Declaration of Independence asserts that our rights are given to us by God. I agree with that. And in saying that, the founders were telling the Brits that the right to independence was a God-given right. A pretty bold statement for those days.

11 years later when they wrote the document that would govern our nation, the US Constitution, they made no reference to God. This was also a bold approach, and a stroke of genius IMO. We can all read the constitution for ourselves and infer its meaning. Otoh, I do not trust a political party to discern God's will and pass laws accordingly The people in congress are, on the whole, among the very worst people in our nation. The Constitution binds and limits them. Let them operate according to "God's will" and in 20 years we won't recognize our country. I barely recognize it now.

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