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re: If Texas's central grid only relied on solar & wind energy, would anyone have electricity?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:55 am to The_Duke
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:55 am to The_Duke
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They all shite the bed.
Gas didnt shite the bed. I’m not sure why you’re stuck on this particular point. There were multiple reasons Texas faced the issues we have this week but there’s no denying Wind & Solar shut down production when we needed it most.
No one is advocating for getting rid of wind & solar. They just aren’t sufficient to be the main or bulk of our energy production.
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:55 am to member12
There’s no way to argue with 18 different ppl at the same time. I never once made a claim that renewables are the savior of society. Renewables were taken offline much sooner than all other systems. That was accounted for—shite got real when nuclear plants and NG plants had to shut down. Renewables had absolutely nothing to do with the current state of where Texas is. Infrastructure Preparedness is to blame.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:57 am to LSUGrrrl
Gas plants went down as well. Look all of these pieces are combined to make one big puzzle without the pieces the puzzle still finest work. I’m not sure why you guys think it’s ok to separate the puzzle and blame one Small section when the entire puzzle had issues.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:58 am to Napoleon
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Texas doesn't have the weather to call for winterizing the turbines. But there are windmills are in places much colder than last weeks lows and operating just fine.
This all day. It easy to say they should be winterized. But companies don't take precautions based off of 100 year events. It's Texas. It's almost like saying you are going to install power poles to withstand a Cat 5 Hurricane. I'm sure it could be done for an exorbitant cost but at the end of day, you just hope to avoid it.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:58 am to The_Duke
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I never once made a claim that renewables are the savior of society
Don’t think anyone claims that this is your stance.
They are just shredding your stance that renewables had nothing to do with Texas’s grid failures.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:59 am to goofball
Again show me one post where I avidly defend renewables against NG. You are putting words in my mouth that I never said.
The entire system failed. Renewables could have been working at 100% and we still would have been in the current state we are in as they only account for 20% of the grid in their best days.
The entire system failed. Renewables could have been working at 100% and we still would have been in the current state we are in as they only account for 20% of the grid in their best days.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:00 am to The_Duke
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Gas plants went down as well.
Gas didn’t lose nearly all of its output. Wind turbines in Texas did - either because they weren’t winterized or aren’t suitable for handling the base load in the more extreme aspects of Texas’s climate.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:00 am to The_Duke
Everything failed, some more than others, but it’s been decades in the making. Instead of incentives that drive us to invest in unreliable sources, those sources should be penalized to pay for their backups during the time we need them and they aren’t available.
Nuclear deserves a look, it’s very reliable but we fear a disaster (how many died at three mile island, actually?). Coal is reliable as is gas if you tell the producers you are depending on them.
Old tech fossil fuel systems used to work better than this. What changed?
Today wind and solar look very expensive to me.
Nuclear deserves a look, it’s very reliable but we fear a disaster (how many died at three mile island, actually?). Coal is reliable as is gas if you tell the producers you are depending on them.
Old tech fossil fuel systems used to work better than this. What changed?
Today wind and solar look very expensive to me.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:01 am to The_Duke
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Gas plants went down as well.
Gas production continued.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:02 am to dewster
Renewables had nothing to do with Texas shutting down.
NG had nothing to with Texas shutting down.
Nuclear had nothing to do with Texas shutting down.
The claims in this post all were pointing to renewables—that’s why I said what I said.
NG had nothing to with Texas shutting down.
Nuclear had nothing to do with Texas shutting down.
The claims in this post all were pointing to renewables—that’s why I said what I said.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:03 am to The_Duke
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Again show me one post where I avidly defend renewables against NG
You claimed that renewables had nothing to do with this crisis despite being presented with data that shows that nearly all output from renewable sources evaporated.
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The entire system failed.
Renewables failed at nearly 100%.
Natural gas, nuclear, and coal didn’t.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:03 am to LSUGrrrl
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“Gas is failing in the most spectacular fashion right now,” Webber said. More than half of ERCOT’s winter generating capacity, largely powered by natural gas, was offline due to the storm, an estimated 45 gigawatts, according to Dan Woodfin, a senior director at ERCOT.
Jesus Christ dude
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:03 am to The_Duke
The numbers you quote are misleading generalizations in the context of this discussion.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:04 am to The_Duke
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The claims in this post all were pointing to renewables—that’s why I said what I said.
The title of this thread is
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If Texas's central grid only relied on solar & wind energy, would anyone have electricity?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:04 am to The_Duke
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Renewables had nothing to do with Texas shutting down
Except they very clearly did. Nearly all output from renewable sources were cut.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:05 am to goofball
Again renewables, even at 100%, could not have saved Texas. It’s a system level issue and you guys wanting to blame renewables aren’t helping anything. Just being good ole republicans
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:05 am to The_Duke
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Renewables had absolutely nothing to do with the current state of where Texas is.
You can repeat it until you are blue in the face. But it’s just not true.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:05 am to goofball
Again—-20% of the system shutting down would not have caused this cluster frick
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:06 am to The_Duke
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Again—-20% of the system shutting down would not have caused this cluster frick
It would if there was a spike in demand for energy. Like their has been.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 10:06 am to LSUGrrrl
I clearly said claims—-not op. I was responding to a specific post. I can’t argue with 18 ppl at once
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