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What’s with all the energy talk?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:02 pm
We had a massive 100 year winter ice storm.
Why is anyone surprised there are outages and a disruption of life? Is anyone shocked when people lose power in a hurricane?
The real problem is society is soft and complains about everything.
Complain that the power went out
Complain if you have power but your bill is too high
Complain that there isn’t enough renewable energy
Complain that the renewable energy isn’t reliable
They would have been complaining if years ago their bill had a charge for “winterizing”
Why is anyone surprised there are outages and a disruption of life? Is anyone shocked when people lose power in a hurricane?
The real problem is society is soft and complains about everything.
Complain that the power went out
Complain if you have power but your bill is too high
Complain that there isn’t enough renewable energy
Complain that the renewable energy isn’t reliable
They would have been complaining if years ago their bill had a charge for “winterizing”
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:05 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I'm simply amazing that something as basic as energy has become so partisan. Apparently you can only support the types of energy that aligns with your jersey color.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:06 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I hear you but the root of the problem in the opinion of many (including myself) is reliance on transient power sources like wind and solar.
Keep in mind the NG systems are installed as a backup to the unreliable renewables that power a non-trivial portion of the grid.
We have the technology, money, and sense to install a system that performs better in these extreme events but people choose the wrong path for "feel good" alternatives pushed by eco-hustlers.
Keep in mind the NG systems are installed as a backup to the unreliable renewables that power a non-trivial portion of the grid.
We have the technology, money, and sense to install a system that performs better in these extreme events but people choose the wrong path for "feel good" alternatives pushed by eco-hustlers.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:08 pm to AndyCBR
Gas is having problems with the cold, too.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:09 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Basically, people just want to use any sort of bad thing to score political points and dunk on their "enemies".
They will ignore anything that goes against their subscribed narrative and hyper-focus on anything that supports it even if its not true.
They will ignore anything that goes against their subscribed narrative and hyper-focus on anything that supports it even if its not true.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:11 pm to FtHuntTiger
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Gas is having problems with the cold, too.
EVERYTHING is having problems.
That’s because it’s a crazy fricking storm. There is a reason why people have been talking about this event for weeks.
It’s not a gotcha for either side
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:11 pm to WaWaWeeWa
It’s mind boggling how politicized energy has become.
Texas needs better natural gas infrastructure to avoid pipe freezes and the big dogs at ERCOT need to pay the trivial extra money to winterize their turbines and life goes on.
Texas needs better natural gas infrastructure to avoid pipe freezes and the big dogs at ERCOT need to pay the trivial extra money to winterize their turbines and life goes on.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:14 pm to FtHuntTiger
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Gas is having problems with the cold, too.
Yes but perhaps if money wasn't squandered on windmills and solar panels the budgets could have included better weatherization on the NG infrastructure.
You're depending on NG as a backup to the failed solar and wind.
And BTW they could turn up the wick on the coal and NG plants that are operating to help match the demand but they are limited by emissions regulations.
A nuclear plant would be AOK. A coal plant would be AOK. A weatherized NG plant would be AOK. But the choices TX made under the false panacea of renewables made this hodgepodge grid of low reliability sources.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:17 pm to FtHuntTiger
quote:Why should anyone protect gas delivery networks from the cold? Snow was supposed to be a thing of the past by now.
Gas is having problems with the cold, too.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:17 pm to WaWaWeeWa
OP is right, people are soft.
At the same time, we need to do better and winterized the supply. This is avoidable and worth avoiding in the future.
At the same time, we need to do better and winterized the supply. This is avoidable and worth avoiding in the future.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:27 pm to Stingray
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This is avoidable and worth avoiding in the future.
Is it though?
There is a point of diminishing returns when trying to eliminate all risk in a system. We could also build levees around cities in the northeast for the once a century major hurricane that heads north.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:38 pm to AndyCBR
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Yes but perhaps if money wasn't squandered on windmills and solar panels the budgets could have included better weatherization on the NG infrastructure.
Are the windmills and solar even producing energy at a lower cost than nuclear, coal, NG, etc? Are we spending more on green energy just for the feels instead of shoring up the reliable sources and capacities?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:48 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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Are the windmills and solar even producing energy at a lower cost than nuclear, coal, NG, etc? Are we spending more on green energy just for the feels instead of shoring up the reliable sources and capacities?
Yes that is my point also.
In areas where passive solar farms are introduced cost per KWH goes up for the consumer. The environment suffers long term from disposal of the materials when they reach their end of life (wind turbine blades also).
The only people that make money on this crap are the eco-hustlers pushing it, the people installing it, and perhaps the farmer who leases the land to them.
It's just like the ethanol scam. We are turning food into fuel at great expense to subsidize farming. Ethanol is a lower energy fuel source and by the time the trucking and transport is figured in it is a huge environmental loser.
Excellent video from a deprogrammed environmentalist here.
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Posted on 2/17/21 at 5:51 pm to billjamin
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I'm simply amazing that something as basic as energy has become so partisan. Apparently you can only support the types of energy that aligns with your jersey color.
And ignore all facts regarding failures of your teams energy source.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 6:11 pm to AndyCBR
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Ethanol is a lower energy fuel source
What you got against making mad horsepower broski?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 6:13 pm to billjamin
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What you got against making mad horsepower broski?
As a tool to prevent detonation in high horsepower turbo applications then that is cool.
But it is a net loser on the environmental front. Not to mention the untold millions of dollars in repairs and damage to small gas engines over the years.
Posted on 2/17/21 at 6:16 pm to AndyCBR
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The environment suffers long term from disposal of the materials when they reach their end of life (wind turbine blades also).
Isn't this true of like, everything?
Posted on 2/17/21 at 6:25 pm to rowdyguidry
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Isn't this true of like, everything?
Yes but solar and wind produce much more volume per unit of power produced over their lifetime.
What's the least volume of waste produced? Nuclear.
What the greenies won't tell you is the wind turbine blades end up in landfills or fields wasting away. They also won't tell you that the old solar panels get shipped overseas and poor people melt them down to recover the metals at great environmental and health damage.
EVERY technology has an environmental/emissions footprint. It is a fallacy that wind and solar have zero because the energy is "free".
Posted on 2/18/21 at 11:37 am to AndyCBR
Federal law includes a specific exemption from environmental regulations to allow power plants to run during emergencies. That's not the problem.
The bigger problem is how Texas designed their electricity market by focusing more on achieving low spot market prices, and less on incentivizing investment in extra backup generating capacity and other resilience investments.
The bigger problem is how Texas designed their electricity market by focusing more on achieving low spot market prices, and less on incentivizing investment in extra backup generating capacity and other resilience investments.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 11:45 am to WaWaWeeWa
OP is wrong.
FIFY
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We are still in a massive 100 year winter ice storm
FIFY
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