re: 2023 Tundra is looking really ugly so far

I trust Toyota with hybrids considerably more than Ford or GM. For one the engine has been out already for 5 years, it will have to be tuned different for the Tundra. The specs should be out later this month as dealers have already been informed. Though it looks like the consensus is 450hp~ and 500ft/lb~

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For the money, just spend another 10k and get the diesel. Will last 2-300k more mile than the gas, or will have at least 5k more in resale value if you don't keep it.

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The gas model 3/4 tons are easily 400,000+ mile vehicles. I don’t want to pay for the maintenance for those big diesels if I don’t have to. And I don’t tow enough to justify that kind of $10,000+ engine option.

Big problem with the gas 6.6L is fuel economy. It’s about as bad as a Titan. Maybe worse. But if everyone is forced to switch to EV's in 5-10 years, I want to have a reliable and simple "gas truck" around as a 3rd vehicle.

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Not interested in a turbo V6 in any full sized truck.

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Likewise. I refuse to drive a V6.

You would swear all trucks come out of the same factory. They all look exactly the same.

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Likewise. I refuse to drive a V6.

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A good V6 (like the VQ Nissan, Chrysler Pentastar V6, or the 3.6L GM V6 after they gave it a timing chain instead of a belt) is just fine in a mid sized truck. They’ll pull well for those uses and last a long time with maintained.

But it’s not ideal in a full sized given how large they’ve become. And I am reluctant to try a forced induction setup for the type of irregular short trips that are common with pickups that are used for work. Turbo engines frequently have issues if they don’t reach operating temperature and stay there for a while or start/stop often. If you are running long hours in your vehicle, they are fine. But otherwise they have some known issues.

Honda is an excellent car company, but even they’ve had issues with their turbo models in cases where the engines are run for mostly short trips (under 3 miles). Oil gelling and cooling, etc. Same exact issue the Audi motors have had for years. Notice they don’t put the turbo 4 in their Ridgeline.

The grille needs more angles and lines!

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My dad got a new King Ranch F-150 a couple years back and he had a ton of issues with his touch screen and other computer shite in his truck.

He traded it in for an AT4 this year and it’s got even more computer shite on it. Hell, the rear view mirror is a camera feed instead of an actual mirror. It’s retarded.

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He can turn the camera off and use the mirror if he wants. Or eventually if the camera lens gets foggy or breaks he can still use the mirror.

That’s a feature that will be mandatory on cars soon BTW. It’s ideal in a truck if you have something in the bed that is blocking your line of sight. But I agree that it is unnecessarily complex and will just add to the already rapidly rising cost of a vehicle.

The giant touch screens are a little bigger of a concern. They keep adding critical functions like HVAC in there. If the screen goes out or cracks, you can’t adjust the HVAC until you pay out the nose to repair the infotainment interface. Not a big deal on a newer truck, but it’s just the kind of item that will break after 10-12 years and could potentially total the vehicle at that point.

An example is the Cadillac Escalade. It uses OLED, which is an excellent, high quality, very high resolution curved screen. It is certainly giving them the edge over Mercedes and BMW in that space, but the OLED aceeen (like all OLeD displays) will eventually fade. After 10-12 years, there will be hot spots where static displays are kept on during use all the time and it’s such a large screen that it will cost a fortune to replace even years into the future.

I understand why they do it in a high dollar vehicle like a Mercedes or Cadillac, but not in a pickup truck. I know some truck buyers want the latest and greatest infotainment screens and electronic shifters, but those types don’t use their trucks very often and are only buying trucks because there aren’t any cars that appeal to them anymore.

Automakers aren’t investing in things like the Ford Taurus, Chevy Impala, Chevy SS, or. Nissan Maxima. Those things are all either dead or aging. And they’ve de-emphasized them for well over a decade, pushing a lot of potential buyers to crew cab pickups. Maybe the Tesla S or other new EV’s will draw them away from the pickup market. That would leave trucks to people that need trucks.

They put a 4Runner front on it.

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The gas model 3/4 tons are easily 400,000+ mile vehicles. I don’t want to pay for the maintenance for those big diesels if I don’t have to. And I don’t tow enough to justify that kind of $10,000+ engine option.

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The diesel will last much longer than the gas and it may be expensive if they break, but they don't break. Plus if you drive it until it actually dies, that extra 10k is cheaper than having to get a new vehicle.

Also, fuel economy is better, enough so to offset the extra cost of the fuel. It is especially better when towing. Point is if you get 3/4 ton or more, it's senseless to get a gas burner.