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re: Equity vs Equality... someone help me out
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:08 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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In shear numbers there are more white people living in poverty than black people.
It's not about shear numbers, it's about percentage.
Let's think of an example that works, imagine a bunch of rich elite liberals in Baton Rouge, and a few good upstanding country farm boys in the little settlement of Ethel. Let's say 90% of the disgusting Baton Rouge liberals can afford to get their kids a Bible, and only 25% of the poor farmers in Ethel can do the same. Baton Rouge's population is 224,149, so 22,414 kids go Godless. Ethel's population is 3,584, so 2,688 kids go Godless.
A generation later, and all the kids in Ethel are little Satanists! The 10% of kids in Baton Rouge who didn't have Bibles still had friends who did, and they steered them back to the light. The kids in Ethel weren't as lucky, because more than half of them had no such holy scripture.
The local parish steps in, and they can only afford 10,000 Bibles, so they send 8,930 (89.3%) Bibles to Baton Rouge, and 1,070 (10.7%) of the Bibles to Ethel. After all, it's by the numbers!
But now, an Ethel family says. Those damn liberals in Baton Rouge! Why did they get all the Bibles? We have it worse here! They ought to send us even more Bibles, because our kids are the ones deep in the Stank of Satan!
It's more than equity in the moment, it's the fact that most black people's grandparents or parents lived in radically different times than white people's did, and that has absolutely ruined their current place by no fault of their own. I mean, damn, my mom was the first white student at the school in my hometown. That is NOT that long ago!
Disagreeing with this stuff is just the same old "I got mine, forget everyone else" mentality, the same mentality of people who only care about things when it affects them personally. Oh and about the metaphor I used, if you're not a Bible person, replace the Bibles with guns and the kids turning to Satan with...I guess the kids turning into vegans.
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:18 pm to Microtiger
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Let's think of an example that works, imagine a bunch of rich elite liberals in Baton Rouge, and a few good upstanding country farm boys in the little settlement of Ethel. Let's say 90% of the disgusting Baton Rouge liberals can afford to get their kids a Bible, and only 25% of the poor farmers in Ethel can do the same. Baton Rouge's population is 224,149, so 22,414 kids go Godless. Ethel's population is 3,584, so 2,688 kids go Godless.
A generation later, and all the kids in Ethel are little Satanists! The 10% of kids in Baton Rouge who didn't have Bibles still had friends who did, and they steered them back to the light. The kids in Ethel weren't as lucky, because more than half of them had no such holy scripture.
The local parish steps in, and they can only afford 10,000 Bibles, so they send 8,930 (89.3%) Bibles to Baton Rouge, and 1,070 (10.7%) of the Bibles to Ethel. After all, it's by the numbers!
But now, an Ethel family says. Those damn liberals in Baton Rouge! Why did they get all the Bibles? We have it worse here! They ought to send us even more Bibles, because our kids are the ones deep in the Stank of Satan!
It's more than equity in the moment, it's the fact that most black people's grandparents or parents lived in radically different times than white people's did, and that has absolutely ruined their current place by no fault of their own. I mean, damn, my mom was the first white student at the school in my hometown. That is NOT that long ago!
Disagreeing with this stuff is just the same old "I got mine, forget everyone else" mentality, the same mentality of people who only care about things when it affects them personally. Oh and about the metaphor I used, if you're not a Bible person, replace the Bibles with guns and the kids turning to Satan with...I guess the kids turning into vegans.
You're making the assumption that the Bible is the only way out of being a Satanist. Which doesn't stack up, as does the original picture show.
In any case, Let's flip the script on your example. Let's say that the Liberals in Baton Rouge have Bibles, but only 1% make the kids read their Bibles. However, in Ethel, 100% of Parents make their kids read it. Which place is better off in that case?
The problem is that you, and all equity arguments, automatically equate resources with equity. And that's why this becomes a class struggle, and that's why this always turns into taking from someone, because it's simply a resource argument.
When looking at the picture, it's probably better to show equality as giving each person the same tools and materials to make a box, or a structure to stand on. In that case, think about each person, and what they would have to do to "See the action" on the field. That's equality, that should be America. We should all get the same tools with limitless circumstances. We shouldn't get the same setup or resource, that's impossible.
Yes, the kid on the end can make a box and see the action, or he can make a ladder and see above everyone else, but some people have to figure out how to make a better structure. That takes work, it takes a supportive culture, etc. But that doesn't mean you can just keep taking the resources from someone else, that's unfair.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:24 pm to Microtiger
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Disagreeing with this stuff is just the same old "I got mine, forget everyone else" mentality, the same mentality of people who only care about things when it affects them personally
If you feel so inclined, donate your money into the shithole, it really is not necessary to extract money from someone else to give to your pseudo-charity of choice.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 9:34 pm to Microtiger
Yea I get how percentages work. You are missing my point.
No. It’s your bleeding heart, short sighted beliefs that will lead to much worse problems down the road. Let’s use the welfare system as an example. You would argue “who wouldn’t want to give poor people money!”, but you would fail to see that while that is helpful in the short term it has destroyed the black family in the long term and lead to worse problems.
You will do the same thing here.
Let me ask you. How do we know when we have equity? And what do we do if black people one day have more equity than white people? Do we reverse the policies and once again discriminate against black people?
I bet you can’t answer these questions. And if you can’t that should be a huge wake up call.
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Disagreeing with this stuff is just the same old "I got mine, forget everyone else" mentality, the same mentality of people who only care about things when it affects them personally.
No. It’s your bleeding heart, short sighted beliefs that will lead to much worse problems down the road. Let’s use the welfare system as an example. You would argue “who wouldn’t want to give poor people money!”, but you would fail to see that while that is helpful in the short term it has destroyed the black family in the long term and lead to worse problems.
You will do the same thing here.
Let me ask you. How do we know when we have equity? And what do we do if black people one day have more equity than white people? Do we reverse the policies and once again discriminate against black people?
I bet you can’t answer these questions. And if you can’t that should be a huge wake up call.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 1/27/21 at 5:40 am to Microtiger
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Let's think of an example that works, imagine a bunch of rich elite liberals in Baton Rouge, and a few good upstanding country farm boys in the little settlement of Ethel. Let's say 90% of the disgusting Baton Rouge liberals can afford to get their kids a Bible, and only 25% of the poor farmers in Ethel can do the same. Baton Rouge's population is 224,149, so 22,414 kids go Godless. Ethel's population is 3,584, so 2,688 kids go Godless.
A generation later, and all the kids in Ethel are little Satanists! The 10% of kids in Baton Rouge who didn't have Bibles still had friends who did, and they steered them back to the light. The kids in Ethel weren't as lucky, because more than half of them had no such holy scripture.
The local parish steps in, and they can only afford 10,000 Bibles, so they send 8,930 (89.3%) Bibles to Baton Rouge, and 1,070 (10.7%) of the Bibles to Ethel. After all, it's by the numbers!
But now, an Ethel family says. Those damn liberals in Baton Rouge! Why did they get all the Bibles? We have it worse here! They ought to send us even more Bibles, because our kids are the ones deep in the Stank of Satan!
It's more than equity in the moment, it's the fact that most black people's grandparents or parents lived in radically different times than white people's did, and that has absolutely ruined their current place by no fault of their own.
This is hands down without a down the absolute worst take and hypothetical I have ever read on this topic in my life. It’s not worth discussing much less responding to. Good luck in life. You’re gonna need it.
Please keep in mind that in every single communist revolution in history the true believers and the first wave of leaders and agitators were also the most brutally executed and the first ones sent to camps with their life’s asserts seized.
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Disagreeing with this stuff is just the same old "I got mine, forget everyone else" mentality
The government can never and will never fix this problem. Ever. Faith in government is literally the height of human ignorance. Capitalism and a limited government for the common defense has done more to lift people out of poverty and bring equality to communities than any other system in human history and for some reason you keep screaming it’s evil. And your response is to destroy that system and install an iron fist oligarchy. That system of government will cause extreme poverty, death, and inequality as it always has throughout history.
Why are all the communist leaders rich? What’s stopping every single proponent of these programs from donating their own money ?
Zuckerburg, Buffett, Biden, Clinton’s, plenty of billionaires all saying we have to get the government to take money and opportunities from someone else. You don’t see them giving up their own money and opportunities do you?
This post was edited on 1/27/21 at 5:47 am
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