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re: It is time to go all in...on the future.

Posted on 1/15/21 at 9:00 am to
Posted by LilWezyAna
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 9:00 am to
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Dump Lonzo, dump JJ, dump bledsoe. Heck, if the right deal presents itself, dump Hart

I'd dump Adams before Hart. I absolutely love Adams but he just doesn't fit with Zion unless our 1-3 guys are knockdown shooters. That being said, Hart needs to be a lot better than what he has been this year.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 9:07 am to
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I'd dump Adams before Hart. I absolutely love Adams but he just doesn't fit with Zion unless our 1-3 guys are knockdown shooters. That being said, Hart needs to be a lot better than what he has been this year.


Adams is so bittersweet. I love all his stregths.

I'm gonna look at this actually as a blessing, rather than a curse. I hope playing with Adams is going to force Zion into building a more all-rounded game.

All the all time greats work and work and work at their craft.

He's still basically relying on natural, God given talent at this point.

There's no point jettisoning Hart. He's a streaky shooter, but he's a pretty good glue guy otherwise

He knows his role and he gives 110% each game


This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 9:11 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 1/15/21 at 9:14 am to
Don't think we can dump Adams anytime soon per league rules.
Posted by bonethug0180
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Member since Jul 2018
4351 posts
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:54 am to
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I'd dump Adams before Hart. I absolutely love Adams but he just doesn't fit with Zion unless our 1-3 guys are knockdown shooters. That being said, Hart needs to be a lot better than what he has been this year.


Zion actually does much better with Adams on the floor than not, according to +/- numbers, on/offs, etc.

He and Adams running the pick and roll is pretty money.

The trouble comes in with certain other players mixed in with them.

Edit:
Notes from a couple of games back:
This is +/- so not necessarily just offensively, but when looking at 2 man combos Williamson has his best +/- per 100 with Adams (Adams is unsurprisingly in 5 of the top 7).

The worst 2 man +/- on the team (well out of the top 20 as they don't list more than that) is Zion with JJ.

The bottom 7 2 man combos have either JJ or Hart in them (one with both).

I would gather has would be in many they don't show as he is only in 1 shown and it's near the bottom (with Hart). I'd wager the worst not shown is probably JJ with Hayes.

Edit2:
EXTREMELY small sample size (3:55) but the lineup of NAW (who I think works better with Zion than JJ because he can create) and Hart with Adams, Zion, and Ball is +95.2 per 100. That is insanely good.

To go further though, the majority of our plus lineups include Adams, while the minus ones that aren't too bad also include Adams (meaning the really bad ones don't have Adams).

Practically every lineup without Adams is bad or, if good, not that good. The ONLY majorly bad one with Adams is the starting lineup except swapping Bledsoe for JJ.

I know it's hard to play bigs extended minutes, but this dude literally changes the game for us. He's in 7 of the top 8 and 10 of the top 12 (discounting the deep bench lineup against Phoenix).
This post was edited on 1/15/21 at 12:01 pm
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