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re: Spacing on this team is terrible.

Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:15 am to
Posted by Terrific Tales
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:15 am to
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This is what worries me too. Somehow I still think he's too heavy.

If Stan keeps running him like he has it won’t be long
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:16 am to
Even with his averages looking decent, I am getting very very slightly concerned with Zion. I realize he just needs to play and needs time to work on things...

But his laziness, lack of hustle, turnovers, loose handle, horrible FT shooting, constantly getting blocked at the rim, lack of court vision... it is all very very slightly concerning.

But...he's 20 and has played in 31 games. Time will tell.
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:18 am to
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And my guess would be that the number you come up with would be notably lower than 74%. For instance it’s not a clean breakdown, but last year Zion shot 54% on driving layups, 48% on layups in general. Of course that doesn’t split off those that were actual drives or were simply Kobe passes from some guard that he cleaned up, or offensive boards.


that's the problem with these statistics. The situations need to be filtered with the lineups. Did Zion start getting driving lanes when JJ was actually hitting 3s? For all the heck we know, when JJ shot, 45%, Zion was a mack truck on the freeway and shot 100%. The point is that these stats don't exist as a monolith or in a vacuum.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:18 am to
ATL doesn't want Bledsoe.
I think they are more than interested in making a trade this year though. They want a superstar to match with Trae Young. I could see them going after Bradley Beal, and they without a doubt have the youthful talent to make it happen.

THey have to make a decision with Collins and they have a wealth of talented youthful players in Huerter, Hunter, Reddish, Okungwu, Bruno. Must be nice to actually draft guys first of all, then draft guys that you actually play, and then have guys you drafted actually be good.
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:21 am to
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But his laziness,
out of shape.

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lack of hustle,
out of shape

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turnovers,
young, being doubled.

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loose handle


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horrible FT shooting
scary,

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constantly getting blocked at the rim
why he needs space. He's in the NBA now and everyone is longer than him and can jump.

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lack of court vision...
well... i get it. he's being doubled pre-catch. It's an adjustment. But not one the staff is helping him make.

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it is all very very slightly concerning.


it would be very hard to watch him and not make tweaks to his potential upside based on what we're seeing. there are some deep potential flaws to his game that would keep him from becoming an All NBA player if not rectified.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 11:24 am
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:25 am to
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ATL doesn't want Bledsoe.



why do you think that? Bledsoe is the perfect spell to trae young, and they have the shooting to accommodate him. They know they have to get stops in the playoffs, and will be having to go through the nets. They are trying to win now.

Bledsoe is perfect for all of those things.

Bledsoe plus a pick for Huerter/Gallinari is a nobrainer for ATL. because neither of those guys are even playing! The salaries even work.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 11:30 am
Posted by Bronc
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:27 am to
He’s 20, which you are right we should keep in mind, but also this is the reason Lowe and people like me and a few others feel Zion/Ingram needs a different set of complimentary players.

No one is concerned with Bledsoe or Lonzo gutting you from three or slicing up your defense through dribble drive penetration or as a 3 level scorer. So double Ingram and Zion in the half court to make their lives miserable and dare everyone else to beat you.

He does need to improve his passing/court vision, but technically he did improve it over last season(a slight bit). He has more potential assists this season than last, but fewer people are scoring off those assists, so he has a net decrease in his overall assist numbers.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:30 am to
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Passing over the double is much easier for guys like him and Jokic.


Part of it is bball IQ. He has to be aware of options, see the play before it develops. Right now he just has a one track mind and that’s scoring the ball
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:32 am to
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Part of it is bball IQ. He has to be aware of options, see the play before it develops. Right now he just has a one track mind and that’s scoring the ball


i mean, yes, but also those guys really do have the size and length to be able to see passing lanes that don't exist for zion. The court geometry is different.
Posted by Terrific Tales
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:34 am to
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laziness, lack of hustle

I’ve seen quite the opposite for the last few games
Posted by Bronc
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:34 am to
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My thought is that Stan inherently understands this given the construction of some of the Dwight teams.

But I don't know.


I think he does. He’s made comments that pretty much confirm he understands the lack of spacing on the team, and isn’t what he would prefer, without outright attacking any individual player.

The question is does Griff?

Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:35 am to
They have Kris Dunn. He can bring that defense.

Hunter can guard the guards of the league, and he's been lights out from 3, as expected he would be in the NBA, just like Saddiq Bey is to be expected to be a good 3&D wing. He allows them to play big. Reddish has been surprisingly good on defense as well.

and they also have Rondo to let Trae play off the ball, even though i think that's silly and Trae will have the ball in his hands more often than not, so why would you want to pair him with someone that can't shoot? He needs to be able to pass to guys that can either hit an open 3 or rim run like Capella.

I don't see where adding Bledsoe makes them better.
They have surrounded their star with shooters, and he's getting open lanes to get fouled at a ridiculous rate b/c of it.


and the salaries don't come close to working. Bledsoe for Gallo/Huerter is us taking on $5.3M
We can't take back more than we send out. period. We've have to add Jaxson to that, or Melli/Thornwell

This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 11:38 am
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:40 am to
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They have Kris Dunn. He can bring that defense.
is he healthy?

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I don't see where adding Bledsoe makes them better.


the ability to guard big guards and be better on offense than Dunn is. Huerter is not getting in ahead of Reddish and Hunter.

Huerter/Gallinari are literally 7th and 10th in their rotation. Gallinari has played in only 2 games. 26 minutes.

Bledsoe really helps them. And Gallinari is literally giving them nothing.

Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:50 am to
Gallo is washed up, or will be soon.
ATL was stupid to give him a 3 year contract at $20M/yr.
I don't want him. He misses 20 games every year, and he's not getting younger.
I'd much rather take on Markannen and give him that money than get Gallo.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 11:56 am to
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Interesting, BRef has it at 66.8%



Thanks, I grabbed the frequency figure which is 74.4%, but the new numbers still say the same thing, you need an elite shooter to change the decision.

.668 x 2 = 1.336 points per shot
.445 x 3 = 1.336 points per shot

Posted by Pelicansfan69
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 12:02 pm to
Trade him to a team and fan base that wants him then. You are right he needs to get in better shape but he has to play into that shape. He has to experience defeat to realize he needs to get better with his body. This happens to players in all sports. Failure is a valuable lesson
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 12:03 pm
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 12:08 pm to
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And you should run the numbers on how many points per possession would be generated different with seth curry catch and shoots than ball.


This general direction I find intriguing. For instance if you could somehow turn Lonzo into CJ McCollum, is the net gain on offense worth the decrease in defense?
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 12:16 pm to
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Gallo is washed up, or will be soon.
ATL was stupid to give him a 3 year contract at $20M/yr.
6'10 guys who shoot the way gallo shoots don't just wash. He's only 32. He's only a year older than Bledsoe. We're literally asking him to stand away from the basket, receive passes and bomb. His gravity helps this team's problem's immensely.

And his contract is not even that bad. 3 years. That is far more likely to age better than a non-shooting, losing athleticism point guard aging out of his prime. And Bledsoe has the SAME amount left on his contract, and hasn't been the picture of health in his career.

Gallo had a TS of .612 last year which would make him the best shooter on the team by far, 30% better than what ingram is doing now.

And that's not including Huerter who has been at least 38% from 3 in each of his seasons. That's not even considering how open he'll be.

Would I rather Markannen. But this is a MUCH more likely trade possibility.



This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 12:23 pm
Posted by LSU Fan 90812
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 12:18 pm to
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This general direction I find intriguing. For instance if you could somehow turn Lonzo into CJ McCollum, is the net gain on offense worth the decrease in defense?


I mean CJ is a dream. Absolutely I think you pull that trigger.

And I say yes. Especially if you have a CJ paired with a bledsoe, who helps guard the best guard on the other team.

Basketball isn't played in a vacuum. CJ's defensive stats are skewed because lillard isn't a great defender either. With a better defender flanking him, you can hide him better on D.
This post was edited on 1/5/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 1/5/21 at 12:21 pm to
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For instance if you could somehow turn Lonzo into CJ McCollum, is the net gain on offense worth the decrease in defense?


DO you think Lonzo is that much better than McCollum on defense?
I don't.
McCollum would be great to have, not only as a good 3 point shooter, but someone who can create on his own and take the pressure off of BI.
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