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re: Permanently installed LED "Christmas" lights.

Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:27 am to
Posted by DawgCountry
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:27 am to
I just paid one of those companies that installs Christma lights to hang 150ft of the Govee Permanent outdoor lights. Looks amazing.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:08 am to
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I just paid one of those companies that installs Christmas lights to hang 150ft of the Govee Permanent outdoor lights. Looks amazing.


IF you don't mind me asking, What did they charge (in round numbers)?

My out the door cost, including renting a boom lift was about $600-$650 for just shy of 40 Meters of light. That seems kinds of expensive for Christmas lights, but the professional companies charge 5-6 times that.

Looking back here's a rough break down of my costs.

$100 40 M's of led light strips (E-bay from China)
$150 40 M of Aluminum LED channels $150
$45 50M of 18 gauge 3 strand low voltage wire.
$30 5v 30 Amp Power supply
$25 Project Box
$25 Home built ESP8266 light controller
$25 misc parts and pieces.

Boom lift rental $250 for 24 hours.

Posted by DukeSilver
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:43 am to
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I just paid one of those companies that installs Christma lights to hang 150ft of the Govee Permanent outdoor lights. Looks amazing.


Did they attach them directly to the bottom of the soffit with the lights facing straight down? I've seen some people put a shim at the edge of their eve that angles the light a little towards their house.

If you have different levels and dormers are they easy to customer cut to the correct size you need them and add extensions from the center of the strings to reach dormers?
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 10:48 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 11:12 am to
my biggest fear is how these will look on my house prior to committing to a cherry picker and hundreds in lights and aluminum channels.

i am not a fan of the scalloped look of the govees but maybe the diffuser built into the channel Lonnie posted eliminates that problem.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 11:16 am to
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 11:57 am to
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 10:43 pm to
Put the tree up and in addition to the 900 regular warm white leds, I added 300 individually addressable Leds (stings). The wife approves and the kid had been adding animations via his tablet.

A really nice upgrade to our setup.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 11/27/23 at 4:31 pm to
Ordered 2 50' APPECK segments from the comparison video linked here. Thanks for that!

Hopefully they can daisy chain together.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 11/27/23 at 4:53 pm to
Good luck. Dry fit test them on the ground before you put them up.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 9:59 am to
So my wife liked the LED's on the inside tree so much she asked if I could light the two artificial trees on our front porch. "Sure, why not?" So after a few mins of building a WLED controller out of a leftover NodeMCU I was in business.

The best trick was syncing the two trees to the LED's on the house. The two trees are run in parallel and are basically light up identically when you look at them. When her and the kid finally noticed they were like "How'd you do that?!?" Me:

When I asked to/told her I was going to do this project I expected a bit of pushback because for years she's told me she only like white lights on the tree. But I didn't get much resistance for her. And as I said, she really likes the final prduct. That being said, here favorite animation is the one where I tuned the on tree leds to as close to warm white as I could and then had random LED's flash/twinkle on and off.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 10:05 am
Posted by ApisMellifera
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 10:45 am to
I hadn't even considered doing LEDs on the inside tree. For years we always got a real tree but last year went the artificial pre-lit route because my schedule at the time didn't allow me to have much holiday fun. I could absolutely see myself getting carried away with inside tree, garland, etc. and carrying over to the front door trees.

I've been researching for my permanent light project and dr. z/Quindor have led me deeeeep down the rabbit hole. I have ordered my lights and dig-quad (if I stick with it, I'll work my way up to building a controller). Just figuring out where I want my injection points to be but shouldn't need too many since I'm under 500 12v pixels if I space out 3 inches.
Posted by lsugrad35
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 11:41 am to
Not enough pics in this thread. I've been wanting to dive into the permanent lights, but I'm so intimidated for some reason. I pretty techy, and it still makes my head spin when I get too deep. Now we are in a house we will be in for a while and I have a kid on the way so next Christmas I'm going to have to actually put up some lights
Posted by ApisMellifera
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Posted on 11/30/23 at 12:20 pm to
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I pretty techy, and it still makes my head spin when I get too deep.


Same. At some point you just have to dive in and do a little on the job training.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 12/13/23 at 10:47 am to
Whelp, I got bit by the freeze/thaw cycles here. two nights ago, I noticed about the last 1/3 of my LEDs not working. Unfortunately, they are right over the peak on the front door. I initially thought that the jumper between the end of one strand and the start of the next had gone bad and rebuilt that. However, after some troubleshooting, I'm going to have to replace a couple of LED's at the end and beginning of two strips. Of course, this is a power injection point so that is going to complicate things, but nothing I can't fix.

At least it's not at the top of the roof line.


Edit: Patched them up enough to make it through the Holiday season. It's not pretty, but it's functional. I'll do a more Permanent fix when it's above 40 degs outside...
This post was edited on 12/13/23 at 1:56 pm
Posted by ApisMellifera
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Posted on 12/14/23 at 11:27 am to
That is a more common problem with strips and not strings, correct?
Posted by Hopeful Doc
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Posted on 12/15/23 at 11:54 pm to
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Not enough pics in this thread



As stated before, mine are not really permanent but c9-like 5050 ws2811 LED hung on PVC pipes on the gutters. So I’m a bit fat cheater, and you can skip the pictures if you want. But that said, you can buy the same LED without the strawberry diffuser in a permanent aluminum track, or 12mm “bullets” and “permatrack” and get all these same effects (except my garland and tiny trees. I’ll be doing this across the front of the house in a couple of days as well and extending the ground LED in my front yard to the end of their respective beds giving me around 1100 working lights when I’m done.
But I’m boring, so I set them to static Christmas colors and have WLED cycle them every 20m or so.


Results:








And a 150 light proof of concept that I will do across the front (which has 6x 9ft garlands, 2x 4 foot Christmas trees. I plan on either bringing the garland over the windows in the front down or going back up “over the top” of my round door with my garland, but I haven’t decided which of those I like better. Only that I don’t like my current install (garland hanger from Balsam Hill) which gives me different heights.).






DigOcta + 200w PSU is sitting in the corner. The last run across the front will take my 8th output on it and the first that I’ll actually require power injection for (400 consecutive 12v 12mm nodes, so I’ll inject around 150, 300, end of run if needed because 150 on this door does fine- I don’t run brightest white ever, and I’ve got the whole setup limited to about 8a anyway, but I think it looks sharp enough that I’m not itching to upgrade the power or brightness capabilities). Half considering adding leaping arches next year, but I’m leaning more towards a pair of megatrees instead. Or learning to be happy with what I’ve got and what I’ve done so far. The board is on wifi, but I’ll be dropping Ethernet to it soon (maybe this weekend) as it is in a weird spot and has had intermittent network connectivity requiring reboot (though maybe that’s not the actual problem).


The roof outline + ground lights will get pulled on Mardi Gras (they’ll be purple, gold, and green starting 1/6). They’ll come back out to play around October 1 of next year.

I have Hue down lights on my porch. I have GledOpto 12v uplights throughout the yard (20ish?). I have a fairly extensive Apple Shortcut that was calling up my scenes. Then when I added the WLED stuff, I got HomeAssistant involved, and the shortcut calls the WLED playlist (through a fake HomeKit switch). For whatever reason, it calls my red/white preset instead of the actual playlist. I plan to rewrite all my lighting ‘programming’ in HomeAssistant but haven’t gotten around to it just yet (and trying to bandaid my original solution, because I spent a long time on it finding holidays and coordinating light colors, alternating RG and GR for nights of the weeks on Christmas, writing for a November day that falls after Thanksgiving, and then using multiple (7) dynamic scenes for each of the days of the week in October).
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 12/16/23 at 7:41 am to
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That is a more common problem with strips and not strings, correct?


They're more problematic in cold climates like where I live. But we had our roof replaced last summer and our roofers were really rough on them. Also, I used the non water proof connectors that came with the strips. 1/2 on my issues were with those connectors. The other 1/2 came from failed solder connections on the last led in the string and the first led of the next. The tension of the jumper I built between the strips (which I ran through our gutter) coupled with our roofers chucking shingles off the roof put enough strain on the solder pads of those leds that it damaged them.

My fix the other day was to rebuild the jumper wire and re-soldered connectors to new/good leds. I then cut out the old/famaged leds and attached the good leds by soldering them in line to the strip.

This summer I'll repeat the process by replacing the non water proof connectors with waterproof ones.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 12/16/23 at 8:09 am to
And here's a way too low rez gif from a few years ago of a few of our lights.



The view here from right to left is: The side of my garage, our dining room, front porch, and guest bedroom/office. That is the same way the data signal travels. This is about 1/2 of my leds.

Where my recent failure occurred was the last led of the strip over our dining room and the first led over front porch.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/16/23 at 8:19 am to
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way too low rez gif


Looks great!!
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
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Posted on 12/16/23 at 8:27 am to
It's been a hectic fall, and I don't have as many regular Christmas lights this year. As mentioned earlier in the thread, I replaced the static colored led lights in the front porch trees with strings. I want to do the same with the hanging wreath (which alsi isn't up this year). But I've added some ip67 colored led flood lights in red and green that light up the front of the house.

I must admit as busy as we were with scouts this fall, it was nice to fire up WLED and have something nice ready to go.
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