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I believe O. How can we realistically simplify this D
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:33 pm
Honest opinions here
I think you’ll see three “base” defenses with a goal line package.
You’ll see 4-3
Cover 3
Cover 1
Cover 2 maybe
You’ll see Nickel
Cover 3
Cover 1
Cover two high man or cover 4
Probably one or two blitzes.
One bear front for the goal line.
That’s about as simple as it gets. Bo’s playbook is a thick binder and it changes every week (I used to actually put them together in 2007). Every player gets a 2” binder, every week. Works well with seniors. Not so well with freshmen.
I think you’ll see three “base” defenses with a goal line package.
You’ll see 4-3
Cover 3
Cover 1
Cover 2 maybe
You’ll see Nickel
Cover 3
Cover 1
Cover two high man or cover 4
Probably one or two blitzes.
One bear front for the goal line.
That’s about as simple as it gets. Bo’s playbook is a thick binder and it changes every week (I used to actually put them together in 2007). Every player gets a 2” binder, every week. Works well with seniors. Not so well with freshmen.
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Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:35 pm to The Levee
Stop running pattern matching zones where everyone needs to be on the same page.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:35 pm to The Levee
Whats so damn hard about a 4-3 anyway? I thought Aranda's scheme was difficult as well?
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:36 pm to The Levee
Could someone explain to me what makes Pelini's defense so confusing for these guys?
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:36 pm to The Levee
We ran a 4-3 in Pee Wee football. You can't simplify it anymore than it is. Hell I am convinced this team would shite the bed trying to run a base 50 defense.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:37 pm to iamandykeim
Bo runs a pattern matching zone a lot of the time and what that means is its zone when the ball is snapped but after the WRs get into their routes, it turns to man. With this, a CB and safety/nickle might switch guys if their routes cross each other in the first 5-10 yards of the route and it relies on communication and EVERYONE knowing what to do. Also once one person messes up its hard to trust him the next time to do the right thing and in the end you have what our current D looks like.
Its a type of coverage that Aranda never ran. It has its pros but its cons are that everyone has to see everything the same and technically an offense can use your rules against you and clear you out so to speak. We are so bad at the assignment part that we haven't even run into the second issue.
OCs can also use your rules against you to get the matchup they want. If they know you will switch then they will just have their WR1 cross with their WR3 and instead of stingley covering their best WR, he is switched onto their 3rd WR and we have a safety covering WR1.
This is the third thread I have posted this synopsis in btw. Its what we struggled with against mizzou. against MSU it seemed to be more of not having any CBs healthy and running man anyway.
Its a type of coverage that Aranda never ran. It has its pros but its cons are that everyone has to see everything the same and technically an offense can use your rules against you and clear you out so to speak. We are so bad at the assignment part that we haven't even run into the second issue.
OCs can also use your rules against you to get the matchup they want. If they know you will switch then they will just have their WR1 cross with their WR3 and instead of stingley covering their best WR, he is switched onto their 3rd WR and we have a safety covering WR1.
This is the third thread I have posted this synopsis in btw. Its what we struggled with against mizzou. against MSU it seemed to be more of not having any CBs healthy and running man anyway.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:39 pm to sheek
misdirection offenses laugh at Bo's matching zone shite.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:46 pm to iamandykeim
It’s how you teach it. But even front defenses like the 4-3 and 4-2-5 rely heavily on the offensive strength of the formation. It puts a lot more on the linebackers and safeties to adjust pre snap.
Odd fronts allow for the coach to call it and move minimally to fix shifts and motions.
They both have their pluses and minuses and it ultimately comes down to how well you can simplify and teach. Pelini’s defense probably takes longer to install and teach on the field.
Odd fronts allow for the coach to call it and move minimally to fix shifts and motions.
They both have their pluses and minuses and it ultimately comes down to how well you can simplify and teach. Pelini’s defense probably takes longer to install and teach on the field.
This post was edited on 10/12/20 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:48 pm to The Levee
Priority 1 is for everyone to know what they're supposed to do - that goes for whether they're running man, zone, 3-4, 4-3, it doesn't matter. You do what you have to do to prevent blown assignments. If we just get flat out beat, ok - but to just give the game away with guys standing around and looking at each other is just unacceptable.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:49 pm to The Levee
Am I the only who thought the sound bites made it seem like he and Pelini are now grasping at straws and really have no idea how to fix the defense?
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:49 pm to sheek
You may have set up in a 4-3 base but I can pretty much guarantee you did not run Bo Pelini’s defense
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:52 pm to jimbeam
quote:
You may have set up in a 4-3 base but I can pretty much guarantee you did not run Bo Pelini’s defense
Lol hell no
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:53 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:
Bo runs a pattern matching zone a lot of the time and what that means is its zone when the ball is snapped but after the WRs get into their routes, it turns to man. With this, a CB and safety/nickle might switch guys if their routes cross each other in the first 5-10 yards of the route and it relies on communication and EVERYONE knowing what to do. Also once one person messes up its hard to trust him the next time to do the right thing and in the end you have what our current D looks like.
Its a type of coverage that Aranda never ran. It has its pros but its cons are that everyone has to see everything the same and technically an offense can use your rules against you and clear you out so to speak. We are so bad at the assignment part that we haven't even run into the second issue.
OCs can also use your rules against you to get the matchup they want. If they know you will switch then they will just have their WR1 cross with their WR3 and instead of stingley covering their best WR, he is switched onto their 3rd WR and we have a safety covering WR1.
This is the third thread I have posted this synopsis in btw. Its what we struggled with against mizzou. against MSU it seemed to be more of not having any CBs healthy and running man anyway.
Great post.
Pattern read pros: picks
Pattern read cons: hard to learn. NFL teams use it.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:54 pm to memphis tiger
quote:
Am I the only who thought the sound bites made it seem like he and Pelini are now grasping at straws and really have no idea how to fix the defense?
Their first priority is getting everyone on the same page. Simplifying the defense should help with that. Offenses are going to put points on the board in today's college football. You have to at least make them earn it though. More opportunities for turnovers, mistakes, and penalties that kill drives.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:54 pm to memphis tiger
quote:
Am I the only who thought the sound bites made it seem like he and Pelini are now grasping at straws and really have no idea how to fix the defense?
I don't think they're grasping at straws at all. They're going to run things everyone is comfortable with.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 1:58 pm to The Levee
You can’t tell me this defense was so complicated that no one ever covers the RBs. Both Miss St and Missouri running backs left open is what’s been killing us the most.
Poor tackling has been another issue.
Poor tackling has been another issue.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 2:00 pm to The Levee
They promoted this d as simplified as opposed to Aranda’s scheme. So, sounds like more coach speak.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 2:05 pm to baobabtiger
quote:
They promoted this d as simplified as opposed to Aranda’s scheme. So, sounds like more coach speak.
They being rantards. While Dave was a cerebral guy and known for installing a lot of concepts, he didn't do too many exotic things while here and for the most part it worked incredibly well. Compare what Bama has done under Saban to what Dave ran here. Bama's system, at least in execution, is way more complex.
Pelini runs somewhat of an outdated pro scheme that is far from simplified.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 2:12 pm to JohnnyBgood
quote:
You can’t tell me this defense was so complicated that no one ever covers the RBs. Both Miss St and Missouri running backs left open is what’s been killing us the most.
With pattern matching, the rules can be used against you to clear out the cover guys which would leave RBs wide open.
Against MSU it seemed to be just losing 1 on 1 matchups.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 2:15 pm to JohnnyBgood
quote:
Poor tackling has been another issue.
this is the only thing that I will allow as a "Covid-19" excuse. Not having reps will cause poor tackling. But your team should know what their assignments are regardless of on field time. Last I checked, Zoom meetings weren't banned.
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