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After the Storm, A Sunday Morning Perspective

Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:05 am
Posted by Gadzooks
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2020
323 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:05 am
Going into this season I understood that there would be a regression. I considered my expectations to be reasonable but let's face it, I still wear purple and gold tinted glasses. After all that this team has gone through since the departure of Saban, the success of 2019 had me believing (at least in some measure) that we had arrived. I had this idea that we would drop a couple of games but we would at least be in the top 3 in the SEC West.

Not so fast my friend.

After 24 hours of decompression and a lot of drinking to ease the pain, reality is becoming clearer. I don't think I fully appreciated what we had last year. Now you can dismantle, discount and throw shade all over the idea. You can point out all the faults and talk about how highly paid coaches at a place like LSU shouldn't put this type of product on the field. And you're right. But I think it's also important to fully understand what this team is facing.

Look, it's not just the number of players that left or opted out. But let's start right there. We have 5 starters back. That's it. Just 5. But it's not the number that matters. It's the talent that we lost. Of the 17 starters that are not with the team, 14 of them were drafted to the NFL. Several of them are starting today and playing well. That suggests that we had pretty close to an NFL caliber team last year. About as close as you can come in college. But let's take the perspective a step further. We also lost:

Heisman Winner, Johnny Unitas Golden Arm, AP Player of the Year, Walter Camp Award, Maxwell Award, Biletnikoff Award, Jim Thorpe Award and the Joe Moore Award winners just to name a few of the accolades received by the players of 2019.

That is an incredible amount of talent that left this team. That type of loss sets you back at least a year. I've seen teams lose far less than this and struggle the following year. It should be no surprise that this big a hole is creating all kinds of challenges for the team this year. Now add in all the assistants that left and the changes that were necessary. Changing coaches AND starting 17 new players is not just re-building. It's called re-starting. This is a NEW team. It's not a continuation. It's a reset.

As angry and frustrated as I have been after watching two of the worst losses (by performance, not score) in my history of LSU fandom, it is important to keep the perspective. 2019 was such an incredible year. It wasn't just the best performance by an LSU team. It is arguably the best performance we have witnessed in college football. Emotionally that type of performance wields some serious gravitational pull. Subconsciously it is hard to not compare today to just 10 months ago. So I believe that in spite of best efforts I'm being pulled into a measure of unrealistic expectations for 2020. Not that I expected back to back NC's. But still ... better than this right?

That's still a lot to expect and I was in on the bandwagon of throw out Pelini yesterday big time. Today, as the fog begins to dissipate I recognize that there is still a road ahead that needs to be traveled. It's not like Pelini forgot how to be a DC. He ran some pretty damn good defenses. My confidence has been shaken given the season so far, but I am more willing today to see what happens from here.

After all, it's not what happens to you but how you respond to what happens to you that makes all the difference.

So I'm not down with the idea that the team has given up. Not close. I saw a lot of confusion on the defense. Confusion that I'm willing to concede to a new system, inexperienced players, players that don't have extensive playing time together and some ineffective coaching decisions. On offense I saw an O Line that is still a work in progress and is trying to fill some talent losses. I saw questionable play calling and an inability to establish a running game despite having some pretty talented players. O' said that Missouri was giving them "passing reads" by crowding the line. I can see that, but after yesterday I hope they are also reminded of the value of a running game. The offense is also dealing with some major changes.

If this team fights through the current adversity the growth could be significant. We are not building for 2020. So what I think will be important is how this team develops from here. LSU stock has sold off significantly but I believe there is upside from here. While I'm not expecting them to rattle off 7 consecutive wins, I will be watching to see how they fight through the rest of the season. If they don't finish the season playing better than they began, then pull out the pitchforks. Until then, watch for how they respond to adversity. Because everyone and every organization faces it. It's tough. It sucks and it feels like forever when you're down in the muck. But it can be overcome and if you make it through you can emerge stronger than ever.

Failure is an event. It is not the end.
It's only the end if you quit.

Geaux Tigers!
Posted by doctatigah
Member since Oct 2016
1074 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:07 am to
Seems reasonable, should get downvoted to hell.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11718 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:10 am to
Good, optimistic post. The fate will be determined by the effort going forward.
Posted by Gadzooks
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2020
323 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:10 am to
Logic and reason is not always popular. The slide down is expected and understood.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8825 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:12 am to
Pelini was not a good DC his first time here.

That’s the original sin O made and posters here made supporting the hire. He inherited a prime Saban built defense at a time when the SEC ran antiquated offenses. Go back and watch 05-06 games. Teams with way less talent than us just lined up in the I and ran it right at Kyle Williams and Claude Wroten.

The game has changed. Even teams with elite talent need good defensive schemes and good defensive coaches.

Furthermore, the defense regressed horribly in 07. The first year the Saban dropoff was really felt. Arkansas, Kentucky, and Bama all tore us to shreds that year. All were mediocre. Sound familiar?
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36904 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:14 am to
quote:

You can point out all the faults and talk about how highly paid coaches at a place like LSU shouldn't put this type of product on the field. And you're right.



Post should have ended here.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8825 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:15 am to
Seriously. The team sucks and there isn’t a single good coach on staff: End of story
Posted by memphis tiger
Memphis, TN
Member since Feb 2006
20720 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:17 am to
quote:


Failure is an event. It is not the end.
It's only the end if you quit.



Have you watched. The defense has definitely quit.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31197 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:20 am to
Defense looks like they quit. Going to be a long year when you’re 1-2 and your two losses are to bad teams. Yes, Missouri and miss st are bad teams.

Posted by iheartchimichangas
Member since Jul 2016
748 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:23 am to
frick reading all that. Defense is talented and poorly coached. Offense has some adjustments to make, but isn't the issue with the team. It's because we hired Pelini, who I never liked.
Posted by flyingtexastiger
Southlake, TX
Member since Oct 2005
1762 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:34 am to
You’ll get killed for TLDR, holy wall of text, etc. but you’re close to spot on.

You can plug raw talent into an established scheme. You can plug savvy veterans into a new scheme.
Raw talent and new scheme is highly volatile.

Hopefully the light switch is about to come on and this young D will gel
Posted by LawrenceD
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2019
439 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:35 am to
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This post was edited on 7/20/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted by Dennis4LSU
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Sep 2008
4483 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:39 am to
quote:

frick reading all that. Defense is talented and poorly coached. Offense has some adjustments to make, but isn't the issue with the team. It's because we hired Pelini, who I never liked.
well said.....this X1000 Pelini needs to be fired today or O on needs to be fired at the end of the season.

There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of regression that is the most poorly coast LSU football team I have ever seen.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
31963 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:41 am to
The original sin was making a very public point of promising to go out and get the best and brightest coordinators available and then hiring two has-beens that literally no other school in the country would even consider.
Posted by tiger81
Brentwood, TN.
Member since Jan 2008
21070 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:43 am to
Coaching is about improvement. If we don't see it going forward, O has to address it. Probably not before season's end though.
Posted by Fayetteville Tiger
Fayetteville AR
Member since Mar 2019
232 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 1:21 pm to
Damn good post. Unfortunate that it is way above the comprehension level of most LSU fans and posters on this site.
Posted by luciouslou
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2017
7470 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 1:24 pm to
Please don't come over here with any logic.
That's not allowed
Posted by luciouslou
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2017
7470 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

Defense is talented


I don't know what you've seen that makes you believe this . I see a bunch of slow, soft, and timid players roaming around back there
Posted by mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
4560 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 1:34 pm to
Agree with this...mostly. I do suspect there are some locker room and leadership issues that hurt our effort and growth.

Moving the game and traveling on Thursday did not help us..

The confusion among DBs Aston who has who is troubling

Line not winning one on onesies troubling
Posted by coachw
Member since Jun 2017
1872 posts
Posted on 10/11/20 at 1:39 pm to
Folks.....you're letting being "positive"(about failure) cloud your vision. What part of a disaster don't you get. Ok, just write this season off. After this is allowed to happen with no action, what makes you think this same group will suddenly change?? CUT YOUR LOSSES NOW. BO has to go and players that want to play....play. Why waste a year to have the same old shite next year? What makes you think it will change?? We are 1-9 this season. Let that settle to the bottom of your glass. I used to tell my players, look, I can go 1-9 without you. You're not doing me any favors.
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