Open borders are the ideal immigration policy in a libertarian world with no federal entitlement programs, no income taxes, no minimum wage laws, etc, but we do not live in that world. Open borders with a welfare state is a recipe for collapse. We must have hard borders until we can successfully dismantle our welfare state and overhaul our tax system.

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Posted by OMLandshark

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 12:33 pm to kingbob

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Open borders are the ideal immigration policy in a libertarian world with no federal entitlement programs, no income taxes, no minimum wage laws, etc, but we do not live in that world. Open borders with a welfare state is a recipe for collapse. We must have hard borders until we can successfully dismantle our welfare state and overhaul our tax system.

Yeah, I think people mistake libertarians wanting the most qualified foreigners to move to America with wanting open borders. If they can’t support themselves then they shouldn’t be allowed in the country. That’s my philosophy at least.

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Posted by Toomer Deplorable

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 1:38 pm to kingbob

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Open borders with a welfare state is a recipe for collapse.

Exactly.

As a matter of national sovereignty, we can't have a cradle-to-grave Welfare State and have open borders. And as a matter of national security, we likewise can’t wage perpetual war across the globe and have open borders.

That both wings of the Deep State are to varying degrees totally committed to the continuation of the Warfare/Welfare State and our print-on-demand monetary system that funds both is the crux of the current crisis. Nothing changes until we return to a sound monetary policy.

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Posted by biglego

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Posted on 9/22/20 at 2:55 pm to kingbob

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Open borders are the ideal immigration policy in a libertarian world with no federal entitlement programs, no income taxes, no minimum wage laws, etc, but we do not live in that world

You just can’t import the third world and expect to not become third world. Makes no sense. You can’t import hordes of Muslims and expect to keep your free western society.

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