quote:
In the very same CDC table mentioned earlier, the final comorbidity listed (other than "all other causes) is:

quote:
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events

There are currently over 5000 deaths in this category. Seems like this could cover a wide range of things: car wrecks, suicides, fall injuries, drug overdoses, and murders.

So how would you classify someone who was an accidental injury (let’s say they shot themselves in the leg with a gun in their pocket) and were in the hospital and contracted COVID and died, or went to the OR to fix their gunshot injury and never came off the ventilator because they had COVID? “Other adverse events” also covers iatrogenic diagnoses, so if someone got a line infection or a UTI while admitted for COVID it goes into that category.

Even if you were making a valid point (which you aren’t), that’s still only 5000 out of 190,000 deaths.

You’re grasping at straws to try to show that data that you don’t like is incorrect, and yet again you are someone who doesn’t have the knowledge base to know what the data you’re looking at means. I suggest asking the university of Facebook for your tuition back.

2 ...

Report Post

Posted by ell_13

Member since Apr 2013

85242 posts

Posted on 9/8/20 at 9:21 am to TIGERSandFROGS

quote:
You’re grasping at straws to try to show that data that you don’t like is incorrect

Every day states are removing duplicates/errors, sometimes by the hundreds. Many states like Florida and New York and Ohio and California have had critical, major errors in reporting. The CDC has revised the totals numerous times. The 190k total regurgitated and used as some sort of count down clock on news stations isn’t legit.

The CDC currently has a count of 174k deaths WITH covid. That term is critical. Put it this way, the CDC has total deaths WITH either Covid, Flu, or Pneumonia at 281k. This means that the CDC has counted about 107k deaths WITH Flu and/or Pneumonia with no presence of Covid at all. That doesn’t really stack up to previous years because we’ve never counted deaths like this ever before.

ETA: That’s 107k Pneumonia/Flu related deaths so far this year. We still have 3 major months coming up which will likely put that number over 150k. Why aren’t people losing their shite over this number? Why wasn’t it reported like this in previous years? The “WITH” identifier is crucial to the fear mongering taking place.

For example, my grandfather died in 2016 after complications from a bypass surgery. While in hospice, he contracted pneumonia and died not long after. Did the pneumonia shorten his life? Maybe by a couple days at most. So what was the cause of death? Back then the DC didn’t mention pneumonia at all. But if it was covid, it would. That’s anecdotal, but it’s a fair example of how things are treated differently in regards to Covid.

This post was edited on 9/8/20 at 9:30 am

1 ...

Report Post

Posted by Sasquatch Smash

Member since Nov 2007

24150 posts

Posted on 9/8/20 at 10:16 am to TIGERSandFROGS

quote:
You’re grasping at straws to try to show that data that you don’t like is incorrect, and yet again you are someone who doesn’t have the knowledge base to know what the data you’re looking at means. I suggest asking the university of Facebook for your tuition back.

Look, man, I'm not one of the folks screaming about the "only 6%" thing because I can read data and know it's an incorrect claim.

You know dick about who I am or what my qualifications are, and it's been clear from the get go that many MDs know frick all about data or statistics. So, maybe take up some of the data issues with your colleagues first before accusing me of being some imbecile. (I assume you're a MD because you said you wrote out death certificates. Just because you're an MD doesn't mean you're a scientist (not necessarily directed at you, just in general).)

However, whenever you have one state that has been caught at least 3 times (Florida) counting people as CoviD deaths when they likely aren't CoviD deaths, there's likely something there.

Florida has counted a 19-year old that died in a motorcycle accident, a man that was a roofer who was stuck by lightning and then fell off the roof, and an elderly person who also had a fall injury as "CoviD" deaths because they tested positive. How many of the "young" deaths, used to drum up fear, would fall into this category?

I believe Arizona is counting anyone that dies within 60 days of a positive test as a CoviD death. (Not sure if that's statewide or not, and supposedly those deaths are eventually looked over/confirmed. But that's a great way to keep a high death count going over time.)

Does that sound like good data to you?

0 ...

Report Post

O-T Lounge - Replies to Post

Return To Board

Page 1

Return To Board