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re: Earlier interview of BLM protester who was killed in Austin last night carrying his AK47
Posted on 7/31/20 at 9:08 am to YumYum Sauce
Posted on 7/31/20 at 9:08 am to YumYum Sauce
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If you are in a vehicle and someone approaches you with a rifle pointing at your face, are you allowed to open fire?
This is the reality and it's a close call and something gun advocates should talk about.
On one hand, I support people I disagree with politically exercising their 2A rights. I think we have to do so and do so publicly.
On the other hand, when you're caring a "military styled rifle" in a crowd of belligerent people, during a time when such crowds/protests are engaging in violence against innocents, you're taking a risk. I reject the idea that people should be inherently fearful of weapons based on ignorance/appearance.
But I think the practical and legal reality is that if you carry an AR or an AK in public, and you get into a tight spot or conflict, it's not unreasonable that someone may have a strong case against you for self defense, even where you (AR/AK carrier) aren't intending to pose a threat.
And while the protests/riots context should matter, right wing protestors and random idiots who want to exercise their rights by taking an AR into Starbucks should remember this is a gamble they're taking too.
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Posted on 7/31/20 at 9:26 am to Pettifogger
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right wing protestors and random idiots who want to exercise their rights by taking an AR into Starbucks should remember this is a gamble they're taking too.
Yup. It's the good for me but not thee philosophy that has permeated throughout our political discourse lately and has caused massive issues.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 9:34 am to Pettifogger
The shooter's story seems believable beyond a reasonable doubt. If he was a rideshare driver, one can easily confirm that he was working that night and that he just dropped off somebody nearby. I don't think that behavior is of someone who would then go trying to run over people, which didn't even happen. One eyewitness confirmed the pointing of the rifle at the driver, and then we have that photo showing the gun int he "ready" position. He shouldn't even be charged with anything but it won't surprise me if he is.
I 100% agree with the right to defend yourself in his situation. Those "protesters" had already made up their mind on why he turned down that road and what they planned on doing to him if they could get him out of his car. Unfortunately for them, they are finding out that they in fact do not own the streets as they once thought.
I 100% agree with the right to defend yourself in his situation. Those "protesters" had already made up their mind on why he turned down that road and what they planned on doing to him if they could get him out of his car. Unfortunately for them, they are finding out that they in fact do not own the streets as they once thought.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 10:25 am
Posted on 7/31/20 at 9:48 am to Pettifogger
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But I think the practical and legal reality is that if you carry an AR or an AK in public, and you get into a tight spot or conflict, it's not unreasonable that someone may have a strong case against you for self defense, even where you (AR/AK carrier) aren't intending to pose a threat.
And while the protests/riots context should matter, right wing protestors and random idiots who want to exercise their rights by taking an AR into Starbucks should remember this is a gamble they're taking too.
If the dude just casually walked over to the car with the gun loose in the sling, one thing. If he walked over to the car with the gun up and used it to motion him to roll down his window while pointing it in the car and other beat the car? Justified shooting.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 10:51 am
Posted on 7/31/20 at 9:54 am to Pettifogger
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This is the reality and it's a close call and something gun advocates should talk about.
On one hand, I support people I disagree with politically exercising their 2A rights. I think we have to do so and do so publicly.
I think it all hinges on one particular detail:
Is the protest or demonstration a "Legal" protest or demonstration? If those "protesters" were blocking the roadway and not allowing people to travel on that roadway without a permit, it is an illegal protest. Armed individuals at an illegal protest are committing multiple crimes.
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