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I Spent 14 Years Trying to Become an American Legally & Failed

Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:46 am
Posted by stendulkar
Member since Aug 2012
767 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:46 am
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Today, legal immigration is suddenly in the spotlight because of the latest visa bans and restrictions on foreign students, but it’s been broken for years. And it’s time Americans heard more about how it operates. Most Americans assume that if you’re well-educated and highly-skilled, it’s just a matter of following the rules. But the truth is, the system isn’t set up for merit-based immigration: you’ll face a nightmare of conflicting rules, decades of waiting, constant uncertainty and a system that seems bent on kicking you out — even if you follow the law.

Here are the basics of legal, employment-based immigration: you first need a job and a visa, then a green card, and only then can you try to get citizenship. There’s no such thing as “applying to be an American” out of the blue: a foreigner can’t just fill out a form.

Getting a visa is difficult because only a limited number are issued each year. But over time, large companies have learned to work the system and they have the budgets to hire the specialised law firms it takes to do this.

If you want to stay in America permanently after that, you need a green card. A green card lets you live and work anywhere in America (you just can’t vote). But you first need to prove to the government that you are qualified for your job, nevermind that your employer thought so already. And nevermind that government bureaucrats aren’t great at understanding the latest demands of a dynamic job market.

After then, if you’re able to apply, there’s often a very long wait: the backlog for highly-skilled applicants now affects over a million individuals. Some groups, like certain categories of educated immigrants from India, face waits of over 80 years. For others, USCIS is currently looking at forms filed back in 1995.

So how do people usually make it to America?

These days, almost 70% of green cards go to people because they’re married or related to an American, or another green card holder. Fewer than 15% of green cards are given to people because of their education, skills, and jobs. That’s because if you’re on a family visa, not a work visa, the green card process is relatively easy, and the wait times are short — sometimes as little as a few months. Through work, it takes decades.


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Conservatives often so fervently believe in the greatness of America that they assume the legal immigration system can’t possibly be as bad as it is.

The difficulty doesn’t lie in the scale of your achievements or your value to America, it’s about how long you’re willing to wait, or random luck.


The legal immigration system for merit-based immigrants has been broken for years. The latest restrictions are the tip of the iceberg.

I am one of the Indians in the green card backlog that the author references above and her estimate of a 80-year wait for employment based green cards for people from India is actually optimistic. Latest studies show the wait is closer to 150 years for us. I am going to die in line waiting for my green card unless current laws change.

A bit more about me:
- I am about to turn 40 years old.
- Came to America for grad school when I was 21 and have been here 19 years - 3 years on a student visa and 16 years on a H1-B visa.
- My employer applied for my green card in 2012, but USCIS is still processing applications from 2005 for my employment category. In the last 5 calendar years, they have processed 3 weeks worth of applications from 2005 for Indian nationals. Now you can see where the 150 year wait comes from.
- Wife and I both have Master's degrees in Engineering and in my case I also have an MBA from a Top 7 school.
- We both work on H1-B visas and I have renewed my H1-B visa 6 times already, with each renewal being a nerve wracking experience with the possibility that the renewal could be denied, which results in you being given 60 days to pack up, sell your assets (home, cars, furniture etc.) and leave the country after spending decades building your life here, and in my case after spending almost half my adult life here. If we do leave without getting our green cards, the decades worth of social security and medicare taxes we have paid will be our parting gift to America as we will never see a penny of it again.

People tend to demonize H1-1B visas and think all H1-B visas go to IT consultants that take jobs from American tech workers (a la Sun Edison or Disney), but don't realize H1-B visa is the only way for foreign workers to work in this country if you are a doctor, engineer, lawyer, wall street banker or most other roles that require typically a high level of skill and education. Frankly it is sad to see all H1-Bs being lumped into a single group of immigrants that many people here have come to hate because they don't understand the immigration laws or the visa types well enough.

Some people ask why do you go through all this shite just to live in America, and the answer everytime is opportunity. No other country comes close to offering what America offers my wife and I in terms of career opportunities, so we have put up with it for so many years...but not sure how much longer we can continue to endure this or when our patience might run out.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 1:29 am
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:55 am to
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not sure how much longer we can continue to endure this or when our patience might run out.


Posted by GEAUXmedic
Premium Member
Member since Nov 2011
41598 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 12:59 am to
I agree this process is ridiculous. I'm not against your type of immigration, especially over those who marry or are related to green card holders. They don't deserve to jump the line over you.
Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
25909 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:05 am to
Damn that’s pretty eye opening. You are the type of individual that people who support legal immigration want in our country... Which means pretty much everyone supports you being a citizen. I know that doesnt help you, but I support you bud.


Edit: Why can’t we cut citizens and sign citizens like we were a Major League Baseball team? We could send the cut individuals to Cuba and reopen Ellis Island for processing of people in OP’s shoes.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 1:08 am
Posted by stFrancisville
Member since Sep 2018
344 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:17 am to
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but USCIS is still processing applications from 2005 for my employment category


That field sounds slightly overcrowded.
Posted by stendulkar
Member since Aug 2012
767 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:21 am to
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Damn that’s pretty eye opening. You are the type of individual that people who support legal immigration want in our country... Which means pretty much everyone supports you being a citizen. I know that doesnt help you, but I support you bud.

Thanks man! It means a lot to hear that even on an anonymous forum.

There is currently a bill in the Senate sponsored by Sen. Mike Lee from Utah called S.386 - Fairness for High-Skilled Immigrants Act of 2019 that would eliminate the ridiculous 150-year wait for Indians in the employment-based green card line and reduce it to a more reasonable 5-10 years wait.

A companion bill to S.386 as already passed in the House under bill HR.1044 with overwhelming majority of 365-65.

99 Senators out of 100 approve of this bill, with the lone hold out being Sen. Dick Durbin from Illinois. He has single handledly blocked 3 unanimous consent votes on this bill on the Senate floor. Not sure why he won't just let it pass when it has such a large bi-partisan support in both Houses. He is literally the difference between me getting my green card sometime in the next 5-7 years versus not getting it in my lifetime at all.

It is very difficult to pass any immigration related bill in the current polarized environment as you can imagine and there is a good opportunity to fix one of the small issues with the legal immigration system with this bill in the 116th Congress given that it has already passed the House, but Sen. Durbin seems to have other ideas.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 1:26 am
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Member since Oct 2010
105542 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:27 am to
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Conservatives often so fervently believe in the greatness of America that they assume the legal immigration system can’t possibly be as bad as it is.


I don’t believe this to be true. I believe conservatives want it to be a fair and just system for those trying to legally become citizens. The issue has been discussed on this board in the past and most recognize the pathway to citizenship needs to be revamped. Furthermore, just because most liberals want open borders and freely handout green cards does not mean they all know how difficult the system is.
Posted by Sisyphus
Member since Feb 2014
1825 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:32 am to
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Edit: Why can’t we cut citizens and sign citizens like we were a Major League Baseball team? We could send the cut individuals to Cuba and reopen Ellis Island for processing of people in OP’s shoes.


That's similar to what the French did in 1719.

They forced prisoners, military deserters, and bums to marry prostitutes and sent them off to... Louisiana.

As far as stendulkar is concerned, you are exactly the type of person we want here in the US. I sincerely hope things work out for you.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
Premium Member
Member since Nov 2011
41598 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:42 am to
Also, you aren't the immigrant that liberals want in this country. You are the immigrant conservatives want in this country.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
50414 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 1:46 am to
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That's similar to what the French did in 1719.

They forced prisoners, military deserters, and bums to marry prostitutes and sent them off to... Louisiana.


Explains a few things.















Posted by GeauxTrain
Member since Sep 2019
1691 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:16 am to
Have you considered fixing your own country so you wouldn't have to join the millions in line waiting to come here?
Posted by JeanPierre
A brave, new world
Member since Jan 2015
300 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:24 am to
This is the most obtuse statement I’ve ever read on here. That should make you feel special.
Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
25909 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:43 am to
quote:

That's similar to what the French did in 1719.

They forced prisoners, military deserters, and bums to marry prostitutes and sent them off to... Louisiana.

gonna have to read into this. Very intriguing.


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99 Senators out of 100 approve of this bill, with the lone hold out being Sen. Dick Durbin from Illinois. He has single handledly blocked 3 unanimous consent votes on this bill on the Senate floor. Not sure why he won't just let it pass when it has such a large bi-partisan support in both Houses. He is literally the difference between me getting my green card sometime in the next 5-7 years versus not getting it in my lifetime at all.
The Democratic Whip in the Senate. frick this dude.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 2:50 am
Posted by GeauxTrain
Member since Sep 2019
1691 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 2:58 am to
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This is the most obtuse statement I’ve ever read on here.


Why? It's honest. Reality is a bitch. We simply do not have the room or the resources to provide the lifestyle that everyone wanting to come here expects they will live. More often than not it only breeds resentment for those who do make it here and fail to realize those expectations. In India alone there are tens if not hundreds of millions dreaming to immigrate to the US - that's why the waitlist is 80 years. Imagine the positive change those numbers could bring to their own homeland if they joined together and focused that energy inward to improving what they already have and know.

I speak from experience having spent almost 30 years immigrating two dozen extended family members here from a country with a 20-year wait list. You?
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:01 am
Posted by JeanPierre
A brave, new world
Member since Jan 2015
300 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:07 am to
I’m stuck in Guatemala with my wife and a little one in Covid times scared to death because the hospitals are collapsed and immigration won’t let her come to the States with me. We’ve been holed up since January. Thanks for asking.
Posted by GeauxTrain
Member since Sep 2019
1691 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:21 am to
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my wife and a little one in Covid times scared to death because the hospitals are collapsed and immigration won’t let her come to the States with me


If you are a US citizen immigrating your wife here would not be a problem. Is it a quarantine issue?

EDIT: Nevermind...

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re: Are You Proud to be an American?Posted on 4/26/15 at 7:19 pm to mizzoukills by JeanPierre
LSU Fan
A brave, new world
Member since Jan 2015
297 posts

America is like Bruce Jenner. So much to be proud of it's past but then something went terribly wrong!! I liked America before it had a sex change.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:30 am
Posted by JeanPierre
A brave, new world
Member since Jan 2015
300 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:28 am to
Nope. It is a ridiculous immigration issue in which they have made repeated mistakes which has costed us months each time. It’s why I decided to comment, because the immigration system is definitely broken and unjust, even to those who are doing it legally, even in cases such as ours where we should be in Louisiana right now. You’re damn right reality is a bitch, and you can feel it when you’re on the wrong side of it, too. ETA: I don’t think you’re wrong at all about us lacking the infrastructure to take just anybody, but we cannot fault a single person for trying to better themselves instead of staying in a corrupt country. We just can’t say such a thing when we haven’t lived on that side.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 3:32 am
Posted by GeauxTrain
Member since Sep 2019
1691 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:35 am to
I hate that for you but if you haven't noticed we kinda have our own problems right now. Sex changes and all that.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117764 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:42 am to
You stupid fricking piece of shite
Posted by JeanPierre
A brave, new world
Member since Jan 2015
300 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 3:44 am to
Agree with you on that, too. I just think that if the average American knew how immigration really worked—how quickly they’ll send back a form over a technicality which the lawyers then have to write a letter explaining that the form is, indeed, correct— then they’ll deny an application for a vague reason, leaving you to appeal it. It adds months upon months to what should be a straightforward process. I think they do it to make people give up or run out of money. When people say they are all for legal immigration, they mean it. But they don’t realize what an obstacle legal immigration really is. Hell, sometimes I wonder if it was worth doing this process legally. We lost a lot of money and time, and we are still battling it. That’s with me being a US citizen and with a US citizen child, too. Imagine someone just trying to get accepted on their own. It must be a myth that that actually happens.
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