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re: The Right of Secession... History forgotten...
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:48 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:48 pm to Jjdoc
Lincoln is talking about the right of revolution. There was never a right to secession and even if there had been, losing an election (which was your fault) is not a just cause. Not to mention the average white person (and ofc the slaves) had no say in the matter, only the plantation owners did
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This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:50 pm to Mithridates6
There is always a right of secession and the U.N. and U.S. has recognized it.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:14 pm to Mithridates6
Revolution is no more or less than an act of forced secession. You are merely using terms. We seceded from our country in the 1700's. America's first civil war was far more nasty than the second. With the night rider murders and people being burned in their homes. Especially in South Carolina where most people were loyalists. The Loyalists were the more affluent and established and pillars in the communities. And under the law they held the moral high ground. That war was also had a racial conflict element. With the blacks generally favoring the King and the Loyalists. And blacks fought openly for the British and worked for them building defenses. When they lost and started retreating there was a mad rush by blacks to get to NY and escape to England by ship and many, many did.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:24 pm to Mithridates6
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There was never a right to secession
Yes there was.
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“Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions,” the former written by Madison and the latter by Jefferson. In the course of this battle, Jefferson privately expressed the belief that if no other remedy proved effective in protecting free speech, then secession might have to be considered. At first, he rejected secession when it was suggested to him in 1798, but then he changed his mind. On August 23, 1799, he expressed to Madison his hope that all would be well. “Before it shall be too late,” he mused, it seemed likely to him that the “good sense of the American people” would “rally with us round the true principles of our federal compact.” But, he continued, “were we to be disappointed in this,” then he and Madison and like-minded people should stand “determined … to sever ourselves from the union we so much value, rather than give up the rights of self-government.”
YES... there was
Posted on 7/9/20 at 10:08 pm to Mithridates6
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There was never a right to secession
Take a look at the first document to unite the colonies. The Articles of Confederation. In that document, it is stated that the colonies are bound in a "perpetual" union.
After the War for Independence was won and the new States sat down to write a constitution for a federal government, much of the terms and verbiage of The Articles of Confederation were used. However, conspicuously absent is the term "perpetual" union. Ya think that maybe this was intentionally left out rather than simply overlooked in the haste of writing the document describing the government that was being created?
You'll never get that doctorate degree in history without digging a little deeper than the information found in your old high school civics books. (Then again, considering how far our educational system has fallen in its turn from educating to indoctrinating and appeasing, I suppose a few universities would indeed award a doctorate under such circumstances these days.)
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 9:59 am
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