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re: I have a quiet envy of religious people
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:28 pm to wackatimesthree
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:28 pm to wackatimesthree
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You're kidding.
Right?
Not meant as an insult or to imply such people are not smart.
I believe in God in a Deist sort of way.
I vociferously argue against the idea that the universe (and humanity) is just the result of pure chance/randomness. The odds of a Supreme Being being involved are infinitely better than a "big bang."
But I have seen too much shite (historically and contemporaneously) to think He's actively involved today.
He set the board and put the pieces in motion and has left i to us to work it out. He gave us a reset about 2000 years ago and now we're on our own.
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Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:40 pm to udtiger
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But I have seen too much shite (historically and contemporaneously) to think He's actively involved today.
I don't really know what that means for God to be "actively involved," but if you are as smart as you act like you think you are, surely it would have occurred to you that your judgement of what constitutes "shite" is of no actual objective consequence.
In other words, "I've seen too many immoral things to believe that God cares," rests upon the notion that without a transcendent moral authority—whose will can be known, at least partially—things can still be "immoral" in any objective way consistent with how we commonly use that term.
It should be obvious that that is a fallacy.
Things can't really be moral or immoral beyond the level of pure individual preference without a transcendent moral authority. And if we know enough about God to at least partially know His will regarding morality, then He can't be said to be completely uninvolved.
Now if that means something else...such as that the hand of God is not guiding world events, that is a whole other discussion.
I still suspect a troll here. This is "Does God exist? 101" stuff.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 7:22 am to udtiger
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But I have seen too much shite (historically and contemporaneously) to think He's actively involved today.
He set the board and put the pieces in motion and has left i to us to work it out. He gave us a reset about 2000 years ago and now we're on our own.
He gave us free will. I think this gets lost on people that don’t have a lot of exposure to the scripture. There seems to be some confusion that He will save people from bad situations (and is therefore selective) and that any hardships or tragedies endured, especially by entire groups of people, mean that He is an unjust God. The presence of free will means there will be evil in this world, some people will be born and/or exposed to different situations and poor decisions will be made.
The Christian experience (and probably many other religions I don’t have enough knowledge about) is all about sorting through the bad things that happen in the world, and to you personally, and understanding they are ultimately just small insignificant moments in time and there is something waiting on the other side to those that have faith.
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