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Rethinking public safety
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:59 pm
Interesting approach to policing here. I would be interested in the opinions of the rational thinkers on this board (okay, I probably chose the wrong board 
)who have the ability to entertain and analyze a thought without flying off into a reactionary ideological conniption.
It seems to me that the police are often both overwhelmed and undertrained for a lot of situations they're called into. Mental health issues, addiction, etc. that don't necessarily fall into violent crime that threatens the citizenry, and it may free them up to do more of what they ARE trained for.
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)who have the ability to entertain and analyze a thought without flying off into a reactionary ideological conniption. It seems to me that the police are often both overwhelmed and undertrained for a lot of situations they're called into. Mental health issues, addiction, etc. that don't necessarily fall into violent crime that threatens the citizenry, and it may free them up to do more of what they ARE trained for.
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:03 pm to TailbackU
Ha!
I knew this would be Oregon when I read the article title.
It works there, bc they have enough hippies to pair with police.
Not all states are equipped with enough hippies.
I knew this would be Oregon when I read the article title
. It works there, bc they have enough hippies to pair with police.
Not all states are equipped with enough hippies.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:07 pm to EKG
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It works there, bc they have enough hippies to pair with police.
Perhaps, but it's an interesting concept about separating the mental health issues from the true crime issues. I have a retired cop who is a friend and over breakfast one day he told me how often they get called into situations that they haven't been trained to deal with. People "call the cops" because they do not know what else to do. Not saying it's the answer but it is a very interesting approach.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:11 pm to TailbackU
As a cop, I can see the need for it. The only problem is when they send them to someone having a "mental health crisis" and the nutter hacks the hippies up with a machete because they were unarmed. Also, a lot of times the crazies don't want the help, so you you have to have peace officer to cuff them and take them to the hospital.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:19 pm to Tantal
Many officers don’t want deal with many of the calls they are called our for. This isn’t exactly breaking news
The issue is as a society we elect morons incapable of pretty together component social services because most of them go broke Because they are run be incompetent government staff.
In case you havent noticed, government sucks and we have a nice mess on our hands at the moment
The issue is as a society we elect morons incapable of pretty together component social services because most of them go broke Because they are run be incompetent government staff.
In case you havent noticed, government sucks and we have a nice mess on our hands at the moment
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 8:20 pm
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:19 pm to Tantal
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Also, a lot of times the crazies don't want the help, so you you have to have peace officer to cuff them and take them to the hospital.
Interesting. How often do situations turn violent like that? Is it the majority of the time?
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:39 pm to TailbackU
I wouldn't say it's a majority, but it's not uncommon.....and THAT'S with at least 2 cops where their chances are lower than they would be against a pair of unarmed hippies. We have a specially trained Mental Health Peace Officer who rides 2-man with a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and counselor. The officer provides the security and the Mental Health Liaison does the rest for the most part. There's no way we would send the guy by himself.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:00 pm to Tantal
I think it’s a great idea if you can get those trained people onboard with doing it.
I also think that with most new neighborhoods having an HOA, the HOA could enlist a neighborhood liaison (off duty law enforcement, military member) that could mediate possibly before the police are called given the situation isn’t an immediate emergency. If the situation continues to escalate then the liaison contacts police.
Don’t hammer me on this as it’s just a thought to build on.
I also think that with most new neighborhoods having an HOA, the HOA could enlist a neighborhood liaison (off duty law enforcement, military member) that could mediate possibly before the police are called given the situation isn’t an immediate emergency. If the situation continues to escalate then the liaison contacts police.
Don’t hammer me on this as it’s just a thought to build on.
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:25 pm to Cwar11
No way a HOA pays for a mental health professional. I know that ours isn't cheap.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:27 pm to TailbackU
How about “rethinking compliance with lawful commands of a peace officer.”
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:28 pm to Cwar11
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I think it’s a great idea if you can get those trained people onboard with doing it.
Gaining the trust of the communities they serve is the key. Not sure what they answer is but there has to be a better way. I think a lot of the problem is stress related. I think cops have too much on their shoulders. They need help, and maybe something like this is a way to accomplish both things.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:13 pm to Tantal
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We have a specially trained Mental Health Peace Officer who rides 2-man with a Licensed Clinical Social Worker and counselor.
There hundreds of police departments that do not have the resources for something like that. And I do not support raising my taxes to see that they do.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:26 pm to ljhog
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There hundreds of police departments that do not have the resources for something like that. And I do not support raising my taxes to see that they do.
I think the point is reallocating existing resources, not necessarily raising taxes. If you'd read the article, you'd have read that a case can be made for actually being more efficient, not less.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:30 pm to TailbackU
It’s pretty simple, start off with not breaking the law and if you do comply when faced with force. For whatever reason that step has just been excused no matter what it is in an attempt to once again pass blame. This entire thing is such a joke.
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:36 pm to TailbackU
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I think the point is reallocating existing resources, not necessarily raising taxes. If you'd read the article, you'd have read that a case can be made for actually being more efficient, not less.
Sounds great.
On paper.
I’m all about the right tool for the right job, but at some point cost is a factor. If this can truly be done by shifting resources, sign me up. But I’m skeptical that it can be done by shifting resources.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:56 pm to TailbackU
quote:safety.
Perhaps, but it's an interesting concept about separating the mental health issues from the true crime issues. I have a retired cop who is a friend and over breakfast one day he told me how often they get called into situations that they haven't been trained to deal with.
So he's the retired cop, and you're the mental health issue. Got it
Posted on 6/17/20 at 10:25 pm to TailbackU
We are talking a government activity. Efficient is not part of the equation.
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