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re: Shams: Pels one of teams interested in Beal
Posted on 6/12/20 at 5:00 am to CP3forMVP
Posted on 6/12/20 at 5:00 am to CP3forMVP
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And Zion is 19. By the time Zion is 26 Beal would be 33.
I’m not saying age is the deciding factor, if you could move Jrue or Lonzo plus for him (and the Wiz did it for some ridiculous reason) then obviously I would do it, but if you’re throwing your chips in the basket I would prefer someone younger who could really age and grow with Zion.
I think what people also need to keep in mind is this isn’t a Tyreke Evans, Omar Asik, or even DeMarcus Cousins type trade. We would be trading for a legit top 10 player, that teams really cover, coming to a legit team, who’s talents would shine.
Barring injury those are the type of major trades you make as a premier franchise because those players retain their value.
Sure, maybe you give up a good chunk of your war chest, but guess what? As long as you manage the player correctly(I.E. don’t let him walk for nothing) you will be able to get most of that value back in a trade if things don’t work out ideally.
I think this team can win multiple ways. For instance bringing in Myles Turner and just having a really solid starting five unit with Lonzo, Jrue, Ingram, Zion, Turner. But I think Beal is a homerun swing I’m willing to take because he, Ingram, Zion, and Lonzo, based on their projected development curves, would arguably become the best core unit in the league within a season or two. And as multiple championship squads have shown, you create the best core in the league and you can typically figure out the rest.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 5:03 am
Posted on 6/12/20 at 6:56 am to Bronc
Beal is not a top 10 player firstly.
Top 20? Sure. We already have 2 top 20-25 guys in Jrue and Ingram, and by next year Zion will be in that category
Top 20? Sure. We already have 2 top 20-25 guys in Jrue and Ingram, and by next year Zion will be in that category
Posted on 6/12/20 at 7:44 am to Bronc
I think this board severely underestimates the price of turner too. He’s a 7 footer that is nimble and can hit 3s at a decent clip and he’s 24. There will be a bidding war for him.
I’d love to have him but he’s going to be costly.
I’d love to have him but he’s going to be costly.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 8:26 am to Bronc
so does everyone assume that if we trade for Beal, Jrue is the one going out?
Would you rather Lonzo over Jrue? I have loved Lonzo's development, but i'd rather Jrue if I had to pick one.
Do you think the Wizard would rather Jrue over Lonzo? WHat value does Jrue bring to the Wizards? He wouldn't resign there, and they aren't interested in winning now if they are trading away Beal, so why would they want to center the trade around Jrue? We have plenty of salary pieces to make it work without Jrue.
Let's try to use some logic here and look at both sides of the trade a little better. The Wizards aren't going to place much value on getting Jrue in this trade. They want Ingram, and if they can't get him, it's Lonzo and picks.
Last offseason, most people did not want Lonzo under any circumstance, me being a loud voice for that. Then the season started and that lack of want grew even stronger, especially from me. Then he started coming into his own and he quit taking stupid shots and started shooting pretty good from 3. Then Zion came around and he started meshing very well with him. There's still a lot to be desired about him as a good starter in this league. I like what i've seen from him, and i think if he continues it during this short stint right now, he'll up his value a good bit for the offseason. I still don't like his inability to attack the paint, but i'm optimistic he'll get better, and i look forward to watching him grow as a Pelican.
You look at the Butler #17 for Lavine #7 trade, and i think that wasn't fair value for Butler, but it's not that far off. Do you think Lonzo has Lavine's value? Maybe. I don't think we are getting a pick back like Minny did, and i think it would require two first round picks with Lonzo to get Beal, like Jax and our first, or maybe our first and a future first. If the Wizards are interested in more than that, then the conversation ends with us.
As someone else alluded to, Beal is 26, actually will be 27 in 2 weeks. He's about as young as elite players go that is actually viable to get in a trade. You can't just have a team full of young guys. That's why i like the idea of a core of Jrue/Beal playing with Zion/Ingram. You have your veterans in the prime of their career, and two up and coming superstars. What other 4 or 5 main players that go around them really don't make that much of a difference, assuming they are all worthy NBA players. NAW and Jax develop into solid role players, Niko keeps playing well, and you find a bruiser at the 5 for cheap and another bench guy that can shoot, like a healthy JJ, Darius Miller or Didi. You're not asking any of those guys to do anything more than play a role, hell Jrue is playing a role in that lineup, b/c the focal points would always be one of Beal/Ingram/Zion on offense, as there should always be one of them on the court at all times.
as of right now, we have a ton of options for the future of this team, and that is a really good feeling. We'd have to do something really stupid to handcuff ourselves into not being able to upgrade the team in the future.
Would you rather Lonzo over Jrue? I have loved Lonzo's development, but i'd rather Jrue if I had to pick one.
Do you think the Wizard would rather Jrue over Lonzo? WHat value does Jrue bring to the Wizards? He wouldn't resign there, and they aren't interested in winning now if they are trading away Beal, so why would they want to center the trade around Jrue? We have plenty of salary pieces to make it work without Jrue.
Let's try to use some logic here and look at both sides of the trade a little better. The Wizards aren't going to place much value on getting Jrue in this trade. They want Ingram, and if they can't get him, it's Lonzo and picks.
Last offseason, most people did not want Lonzo under any circumstance, me being a loud voice for that. Then the season started and that lack of want grew even stronger, especially from me. Then he started coming into his own and he quit taking stupid shots and started shooting pretty good from 3. Then Zion came around and he started meshing very well with him. There's still a lot to be desired about him as a good starter in this league. I like what i've seen from him, and i think if he continues it during this short stint right now, he'll up his value a good bit for the offseason. I still don't like his inability to attack the paint, but i'm optimistic he'll get better, and i look forward to watching him grow as a Pelican.
You look at the Butler #17 for Lavine #7 trade, and i think that wasn't fair value for Butler, but it's not that far off. Do you think Lonzo has Lavine's value? Maybe. I don't think we are getting a pick back like Minny did, and i think it would require two first round picks with Lonzo to get Beal, like Jax and our first, or maybe our first and a future first. If the Wizards are interested in more than that, then the conversation ends with us.
As someone else alluded to, Beal is 26, actually will be 27 in 2 weeks. He's about as young as elite players go that is actually viable to get in a trade. You can't just have a team full of young guys. That's why i like the idea of a core of Jrue/Beal playing with Zion/Ingram. You have your veterans in the prime of their career, and two up and coming superstars. What other 4 or 5 main players that go around them really don't make that much of a difference, assuming they are all worthy NBA players. NAW and Jax develop into solid role players, Niko keeps playing well, and you find a bruiser at the 5 for cheap and another bench guy that can shoot, like a healthy JJ, Darius Miller or Didi. You're not asking any of those guys to do anything more than play a role, hell Jrue is playing a role in that lineup, b/c the focal points would always be one of Beal/Ingram/Zion on offense, as there should always be one of them on the court at all times.
as of right now, we have a ton of options for the future of this team, and that is a really good feeling. We'd have to do something really stupid to handcuff ourselves into not being able to upgrade the team in the future.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 9:23 am to Bronc
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We would be trading for a legit top 10 player
naw
top 30 for sure but no way top 10
Giannis
Kawhi
George
Harden
Lebron
AD
Curry
Klay
Dame
Luka
Jokic
Zion
off the top of my head are all clearly better
*ETA: KD, too
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 9:24 am
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