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is this sustainable? good? bad? (economic theory, not COVID related)
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:31 am
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:31 am
1. eliminate income tax
2. eliminate social security, food stamps
3. eliminate federal minimum wage
4. implement VAT
5. implement UBI (not income based)
I cant tell if this is awful or amazing
2. eliminate social security, food stamps
3. eliminate federal minimum wage
4. implement VAT
5. implement UBI (not income based)
I cant tell if this is awful or amazing
This post was edited on 5/28/20 at 9:32 am
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:49 am to Tiguar
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1. eliminate income tax
Yes.
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2. eliminate social security, food stamps
Yes.
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3. eliminate federal minimum wage
Yes.
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4. implement VAT
No.
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5. implement UBI (not income based)
No.
This would be pre-1916 U.S.A.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:50 am to Tiguar
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5. implement UBI (not income based)
Will destroy productivity and there will be nothing from which to tax in order to pay this.
This is the death spiral of Communism.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:04 am to Ace Midnight
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Will destroy productivity and there will be nothing from which to tax in order to pay this.
Isn’t the theory that people will still want to work and that UBI is just a replacement for social programs currently in place. If someone wants to be lazy how is that different than the people that already game the system?
I’m not arguing for it just isn’t that the argument in pro UBI people.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:13 am to Tiguar
quote:good grief. income tax is essential part of the federal reserve system for fleecing america. if you people would learn how the real system works, you wouldn't ask such ignorant questions.
eliminate income tax
can we live without income tax? yes. Have you ever tried to cut off rich people from their money? no you haven't or you'd be in the ground. This "country" survived for centuries without income tax before bankers concocted this system.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:15 am to Tiguar
Eliminate all except what I put in SS. Gimme that we good.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:19 am to GumboPot
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This would be pre-1916 U.S.A.
......and?
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:21 am to Chillini
yes
eliminate almost all welfare. People who are content without working and living off the government already are, UBI without welfare just makes it transparent.
eliminate almost all welfare. People who are content without working and living off the government already are, UBI without welfare just makes it transparent.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:22 am to Tiguar
I mean id take it over what he have now. Essentially if everyone gets UBI, nobody does so it basically ends up being an elimination of the income tax. Itd have to be an amendment to the Constitution that included a prohibition of reimplementation of welfare programs.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:25 am to Tiguar
$1000 tax free per month to anybody making less than $200000 to eliminate all welfare bureaucracy
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:28 am to Tiguar
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1. eliminate income tax 2. eliminate social security, food stamps 3. eliminate federal minimum wage 4. implement VAT 5. implement UBI (not income based) I cant tell if this is awful or amazing
Absolutely possible...if we want people living in cardboard boxes and shitting in the street...the third world is full of utopias like this...as long as there is no natural resource that someone else fancies.
If, however, you have some resources that are valuable and like the idea of turning on the spigot and having potable drinking water and taking a dump and pushing a handle and it disappears for someone else to deal with then no, most of this is not possible.
2-5 would not be necessary if we simply insisted that employers foot their entire production costs themselves. Instead we tax everyone and dole out the proceeds to employed people who are not paid enough to live in something other than a shack with no water and plumbing...and the ultimate beneficiaries are those at the top who keep those of us in the middle at the throats of those at the bottom so they can maintain their position at the top.
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:39 am to GumboPot
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quote:
1. eliminate income tax
Yes.
quote:
2. eliminate social security, food stamps
Yes.
quote:
3. eliminate federal minimum wage
Yes.
quote:
4. implement VAT
No.
quote:
5. implement UBI (not income based)
No.
This. 1000 times this.
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