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re: Why should the people and taxpayers of America be bailing out poorly run states?

Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:12 pm to
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:12 pm to
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Defined as what? Welfare programs or pension/benefit/healthcare costs for retired government workers? How about military based and their costs, etc?
Subtract those numbers from the equation and rework the numbers.


I don't disagree that we need to exclude certain spending in this analysis, but posting a link that states that NYS spends the most on welfare per capita without noting the source of funding is no less misleading than including non-welfare expenditures in these federal dependency rankings. Without providing the breakdown of federal vs state funded, it's not a meaningful link in this context.

Without having to run all the numbers I can look at census reports and see that NYS is not the top recipient of federal money for food assistance programs, for example.

It's also meaningless to ignore the collections side of things. Take into consideration relative Internal Revenue collections vs federal dollars going into welfare programs and NYS is not going to come out nearly as bad as you're hoping they will.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 4/27/20 at 3:32 pm to
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It's also meaningless to ignore the collections side of things. Take into consideration relative Internal Revenue collections vs federal dollars going into welfare programs and NYS is not going to come out nearly as bad as you're hoping they will.


Even that isn't as straightforward as you might think. Think of all the companies headquartered in NYC that have no operations in the state. Should this be considered in gauging which states are donors/takers from the federal government?

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