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Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:05 am to Esquire
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This post was edited on 5/21/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:10 am to sacrathetic
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That the best you got?
If that doesn’t cure your white fragility, I don’t know what will. Good luck on finding your manhood again.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:19 am to Pandy Fackler
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Then why do all the Nazis have to be white and the Nazi hunters can be all the colors of the rainbow and genders of the alphabet?
I’m not a big fan of the show, but this complaint is silly. Nazis, by definition, are (were) racist. How could you have a racially diverse group of racists? The head Nazi is a woman, so they are gender diverse. There’s no “definition” for Nazi hunters, so that group can have as many 1970s racial stereotypes as they want, though it makes sense for Jews to be in charge when going after Holocaust criminals.
It’s not that good of a show or that popular, don’t be a snowflake about it.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:45 am to Jay Are
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I know you think Hollywood picks and chooses their acceptable double standards
I generally stay out of these types of threads for obvious reasons, but i think its fairly obvious that Hollywood does choose their double standards. Now, that doesn't mean im not gonna watch certain shows or movies, nor will I throw a fit when i see it. A good movie is a good movie regardless of the race/gender of certain characters imo. But its pretty obvious
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:45 am to dcw7g
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I’m not a big fan of the show, but this complaint is silly. Nazis, by definition, are (were) racist. How could you have a racially diverse group of racists?
And Nazi hunters were jewish. Practically all of them. Other than maybe Ethiopian, how can you have a diverse group of Nazi hunting jews? How far and wide would you have to look in 1977 for an Asian jew or a black militant single Mom who didn't hate jews?
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There’s no “definition” for Nazi hunters
This is intellectually vapid and a weak argument. You should've left that part out. Nazi hunters were jews and to portray them as anything other than jews, cheapens what they did in the pursuit of some sort of justice. Practically no one helped them.
You either don't get the point or you're pretending not to get it. I'll give you a little credit here and assume you're pretending.
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don’t be a snowflake about it.
Ok.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:54 am to Pandy Fackler
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And Nazi hunters were jewish.
You do know the Nazis killed 5 million non-Jews in the Holocaust, right?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 11:59 am to jg8623
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A good movie is a good movie regardless of the race/gender of certain characters imo. But its pretty obvious
That's how I feel about it. But the overriding message in this show was as obvious as the nose on a clown. Shockingly obvious.
Black people for instance complain at times about cultural appropriation or whatever. Well Jordan Peele completely and unapologetically appropriated jewish culture and history when he injected militant blacks (who frickin' hated jews in 1977), asians and black lesbians into the uniquely jewish attempt to right some pretty profound wrongs.
This multi-culturalism had jackshit to do with bringing Nazi war criminals to justice and it's an insult to jews all over the world to so much as suggest they did.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 12:06 pm to Esquire
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You do know the Nazis killed 5 million non-Jews in the Holocaust, right?
Yes and in the context of all this, that doesn't matter. After the war, it was jews who assumed this burden and responsibility. No one else. Or certainly no one else in any meaningful way.
The post war concept of Nazi hunting is uniquely jewish and to portray it any other way, is an insult to jews everywhere. There was practically nothing multi-cultural about it.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:07 pm to Esquire
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It's not a double standard. White people just make the best villains (Hannibal Lector, Vader, Hans Gruber, The Jokers, etc.) Own it and you'll be cured of your white fragility.
Well if "white people make better villains", then they must be better actors.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:39 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Other than maybe Ethiopian
Not weighing in either way on this issue, but just wanted to say that Ethiopia has one of the oldest sects of Judaism, Beta Israel. So, even the black characters are probably Jewish, especially when the character is specifically Ethiopian.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 1:57 pm to Pandy Fackler
I think It’s a fair representation of people who the Nazis liked and people who the Nazis disliked.
If I remember correctly the opening scene involves a Nazi disliking his white American wife.
If you find yourself upset because
You think depicting Nazis as Arian white German White supremacists and Naxi Hunters as everyone the Nazis hate reflects on you somehow, maybe work on that
If I remember correctly the opening scene involves a Nazi disliking his white American wife.
If you find yourself upset because
You think depicting Nazis as Arian white German White supremacists and Naxi Hunters as everyone the Nazis hate reflects on you somehow, maybe work on that
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:06 pm to Pandy Fackler
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And Nazi hunters were jewish. Practically all of them. Other than maybe Ethiopian, how can you have a diverse group of Nazi hunting jews? How far and wide would you have to look in 1977 for an Asian jew or a black militant single Mom who didn't hate jews?
Because almost everyone can get behind opposing a group that thinks not only white people should rule the world but only a master race of Germanic White people.
You can really rally a coalition of the willing to oppose that.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:11 pm to blackinthesaddle
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Not weighing in either way on this issue, but just wanted to say that Ethiopia has one of the oldest sects of Judaism, Beta Israel.
That's why I mention them.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:12 pm to SammyTiger
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If you find yourself upset because
You think depicting Nazis as Arian white German White supremacists and Naxi Hunters as everyone the Nazis hate reflects on you somehow, maybe work on that
That comes off as really stupid of you.
You're like the other guy. You either genuinely don't get the point or you're pretending not to.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:14 pm to Pandy Fackler
I think the real question is why does it upset you?
There are a lot of historical inaccuracies about the show. The depiction of made up events from the holocaust is troubling on a lot of level. I personally feel like it diminishes the actual atrocities.
But you seem to really feel attacked by the fact that a white supremacists group is being opposed by a variety of people they would murder if given power.
Anyway long story short: you don’t have to identify with the Nazis because your white. They’re Nazis.
There are a lot of historical inaccuracies about the show. The depiction of made up events from the holocaust is troubling on a lot of level. I personally feel like it diminishes the actual atrocities.
But you seem to really feel attacked by the fact that a white supremacists group is being opposed by a variety of people they would murder if given power.
Anyway long story short: you don’t have to identify with the Nazis because your white. They’re Nazis.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:19 pm to SammyTiger
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I think the real question is why does it upset you?
None of this "upsets me". This is a discussion board.
Why does it "upset you" that I'm discussing it?
That question's as stupid as the one you just asked, isn't it?
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:25 pm to Pandy Fackler
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None of this "upsets me". This is a discussion board.
Well your lashing out and calling people stupid. You don’t seem interested in discussing this.
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Why does it "upset you" that I'm discussing it?
I just disagree with you. I think You’re over analyzing and while the show isn’t great you’re clearly reading into something while
Ignoring aspects of the show you that don’t fit your narrative.
For instance I am Pretty sure the black Hunter is getting paid. So there you go.
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That question's as stupid as the one you just asked, isn't it?
Only if you pretend you’re not upset. Which it’s clear you are. You’re not just disagree but dismissing pretty obvious counter arguement to push a sort made up point.
Simply put the Hunters are fiction, and while really the only people hunting down Nazi and shooting them was Mossad, they do represent a fair sampling of people who would be anti-Nazi.
Where as it would be pretty difficult to have a black actor play a Nazi and for it to make a lot of narrative sense.
And while you can compair it to casting ethnic actors In white rolls, generally those rolls doesn’t inherently involve the character to be white or black to advance the plot.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:28 pm to SammyTiger
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None of this "upsets me". This is a discussion board.
Well your lashing out and calling people stupid. You don’t seem interested in discussing this.
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Why does it "upset you" that I'm discussing it?
I just disagree with you. I think You’re over analyzing and while the show isn’t great you’re clearly reading into something while
Ignoring aspects of the show you that don’t fit your narrative.
For instance I am Pretty sure the black Hunter is getting paid. So there you go.
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That question's as stupid as the one you just asked, isn't it?
Only if you pretend you’re not upset. Which it’s clear you are. You’re not just disagree but dismissing pretty obvious counter arguement to push a sort made up point.
Simply put the Hunters are fiction, and while really the only people hunting down Nazi and shooting them was Mossad, they do represent a fair sampling of people who would be anti-Nazi.
Where as it would be pretty difficult to have a black actor play a Nazi and for it to make a lot of narrative sense.
And while you can compair it to casting ethnic actors In white rolls, generally those rolls doesn’t inherently involve the character to be white or black to advance the plot
All that's been answered. You're really on the ropes now. You should probably stop.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 2:39 pm to Pandy Fackler
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