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re: Joe Burrow NFL.com Scouting Profile
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:20 am to PhillyFan1994
Posted on 2/28/20 at 7:20 am to PhillyFan1994
That's work right there. In response to the analysis: So a QB with below average arm strength just broke the NCAA record for passing TD's (60), while playing against SEVEN top 10 team's, winning the SEC and the NC and the Hiesman, along with undeniably the Greatest Season in College footbal history. But they think they saw a pimple on his chin.... Got it!
Geaux get um Jeaux!
Geaux get um Jeaux!
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Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:05 am to PhillyFan1994
Thanks for sharing these. Going to make for some good 
reading this morning.
reading this morning.Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:09 am to Captain Crown
I don’t know why people get so offended at the arm strength stuff
Posted on 2/28/20 at 8:10 am to Captain Crown
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So a QB with below average arm strength just broke the NCAA record for passing TD's (60), while playing against SEVEN top 10 team's, winning the SEC and the NC and the Hiesman, along with undeniably the Greatest Season in College footbal history. But they think they saw a pimple on his chin.... Got it!
Geaux get um Jeaux!
You ever heard of Tim Tebow? It is a scouting report for the NFL not basing it off his stats in college. By the way I don't agree with the below average arm strength. To say his arm is below average is kind of strange. What is considered average? Drew Brees? Baker Mayfield? He seems to have plenty enough arm compared to these 2. Why not just say he has average arm strength?
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:15 am to GeauxCali
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The comparison Ive seemingly seen the most is Romo
I think he’s a little taller than Romo, but Romo was damn good. Take Romo’s physical traits and intelligence and add Joe’s leadership/elevating teammates’ games/“It factor” and I think he’s a perennial Pro-Bowler, and with some injury luck and a Super Bowl, he’s a potential HOFer, which I think your overall #1 has to be. Not guaranteed, but his ceiling has to be Hall of Fame, and I think Joe’s certainly is.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:20 am to GoldenBoy
quote:Which is odd considering they won an award for best offensive line........
That was more the offensive line than Burrow, FWIW
JK, I think we can all agree they won that award because of Burrow's production.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:24 am to PhillyFan1994
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Polar opposite seasons in 2018 and 2019
Good to know that not even the NFL scouts were watching him last year.
I know he didn't set the world on fire in 2018, but he was pretty obviously a good QB who was limited.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 10:27 am to J_Hingle
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Why not just say he has average arm strength?
I agree, but whatever, it’s not elite for the NFL. But he will more than make up for it with accuracy, good decisions, and throwing a “catchable” ball. Like Peyton, he’ll probably never throw the prettiest ball with the tightest spiral, but if it gets there on time and in the right spot, who cares.
Now, to play devil’s advocate, could it be a factor towards the end of his career like it has Brees and did Peyton? Maybe. But his experience and smarts that far in should be able to overcome it.
He’s got the physical tools, football IQ, toughness, and leadership/mental makeup to be great—no question. It’s gonna come down to the things out of his control—injuries and organization—that determine the success of his career.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 11:00 am to CoachTiger21
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Saw nose of ball dive on some throws field-side
I noticed this as well, slight elbow raise and adjustment of the pointer finger will get rid of it
Not to bring it up again, but this is likely due to hand size and where he is forced to grip the ball. Which of course also impacts throwing power
Posted on 2/28/20 at 11:11 am to dukee7
I feel like they just looked at the raw numbers & came to that conclusion LoL. But in reality, Joe's improvement started in the latter 1/4 of the '18 season.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 11:16 am to ItTakesAThief
I think those may have been more so to avoid mistakes/possible turnovers. Or maybe that is what he was taught by the coaches, to eat sacks instead of forcing a throw. & I don't remember many, if any were outside the pocket where it would make sense to throw it away as opposed to taking a sack. He can't throw it away if he's still in the pocket unless he was throwing at someone's feet or any "overthrow".
Posted on 2/28/20 at 11:42 am to PhillyFan1994
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Took sacks he didn't need t
Only because he had a couple fractured ribs. Any other mofo wouldn’t even be on the field in that condition.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:02 pm to lsu711
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The guy improved, but I can think of much worse than 2018 Joe Burrow.
This I agree with.
IIRC, In His last 4 games of 2018 (after Bama) he was the highest or one of the highest graded QBs in the SEC!
This "Polar opposite seasons" thing is a narrative that seems to be a backhanded compliment about 2019 regarding Burrow being a one hit wonder, but not outright saying it so the evaluator saves face if Burrow is a good to great NFL QB.
In 2018 He showed his toughness, accuracy and mobility especially against A&M and UCF(defending National Champ
). How about his performances against UGA or Miami? Or the clutch game winning drive into FG range and the over the middle throw under pressure against Auburn? Of course there were bad games like at Florida and Bama at home, but those defenses were pretty damn good and LSU was still transitioning from a max protect to a more spread style offense and Burrow really didn't have the timing down with his WRs being at LSU for less than 6 or 7 months and his Offensive line being patchwork and moved around for a lot of the season.
I understand Burrow's weaknesses, but to list polar opposite seasons is dumb IMO. Just say a small sample size of work, and don't criticize his whole 2018 season.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:53 pm to PhillyFan1994
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he recognizes his own arm-strength constraints and is forced to shrink the field accordingly.
^^That one is a classic^^
Burrow threw 73 passes 20+ yards for 1546 yards and 23 TDs. The average gain per ATTEMPT was 21 yards.
Nix was second in yards from 20+ passes with 768 (Nix had 5 TDs). Tua was second in the SEC with 10 long pass TDs
No QB in the SEC came remotely close to Burrow's long pass numbers.
Source - SEC Stat Cat: LINK
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 12:59 pm to PhillyFan1994
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Took sacks he didn't need to
This was from 2018 tape. His pocket presence was spotty.
quote:
Unexpected wiggle to elude when scrambling
• Makes explosive, off-schedule plays while on the move
• Can deliver back-breaking runs to move the chains
2019 tape
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:46 pm to PhillyFan1994
Obviously the weaknesses section couldn't be left blank. You're nitpicking when you come up with weaknesses for the all time leader in nearly every single season passing stat ever set. AND he did it at fcking LSU.
Weaknesses - It is presumed (but unproven) that Joe Burrow is, in fact, human.
Weaknesses - It is presumed (but unproven) that Joe Burrow is, in fact, human.
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:53 pm to AlaTiger
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Below average arm strength?
Um, no.
In the NFL, yes he does. Too many people take things like this personally. Joe is clearly a great QB
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:54 pm to tgerb8
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Obviously the weaknesses section couldn't be left blank. You're nitpicking when you come up with weaknesses for the all time leader in nearly every single season passing stat ever set. AND he did it at fcking LSU.
I mean I think we can fairly say Joe Burrow will NOT become the absolute best QB in the NFL the moment he is.
drafted. Since that is true there has to be at least some areas he can improve. Think of it this way: a weaknesses section implies there are things he can improve on. If he had already hit his ceiling as a college senior that would be much more of a problem.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 2/28/20 at 1:54 pm to CThr33
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I feel like they just looked at the raw numbers & came to that conclusion
I can assure you this is not true when grading future QB’s for NFL teams
Posted on 2/28/20 at 2:38 pm to Ed Osteen
quote:The guy who wrote this "grading" would never be allowed anywhere near an actual gradeout of Joe Burrow for an NFL team. Read his bio. He has never played the game at any level.
I can assure you this is not true when grading future QB’s for NFL teams
He is just repeating narratives from other "experts" of his ilk. Rich Eisen, Dan Patrick, Colin Cowherd, Mel Kiper, Mike Greenberg... those kind of guys.
This post was edited on 2/28/20 at 2:43 pm
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