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re: George Zimmerman sues Warren, Buttigieg for $265M for Defamation
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:46 am to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:46 am to Turbeauxdog
Any analysis must start with the question “What did they say?”
In general, the law defines defamation as a false and unprivileged statement of fact that is harmful to someone's reputation, and published "with fault," meaning as a result of negligence or malice. Statements of opinion are generally not cognizable as defamation.
In Florida, defamation is a false statement of fact, communicated to a third party, which is meant to hurt the plaintiff's reputation or economic well-being. As far as I can tell, he has pleaded that they acted in political self-interest, NOT with a specific desire to harm a guy that they did not even mention.
Countdown to some (half)wit claiming that an argument against frivolous lawsuits constitutes is “liberal” and a “defense” of Warren and/or Buttigieg. 3...2...1.....
Anyone arguing in favor of this lawsuit is basically saying “I favor allowing lawsuits in which the plaintiff has failed to even stay at a legally-cognizable claim, so long as I do not personally like the defendant.”
quote:Neither even mentioned Zimmerman. They used an historical event as an opportunity to emphasize a political position.
Warren: "My heart goes out to [Martin's mother] @SybrinaFulton and Trayvon's family and friends. He should still be with us today. We need to end gun violence and racism. And we need to build a world where all of our children-especially young Black boys-can grow up safe and free."
Buttigieg: "Trayvon Martin would have been 25 today. How many 25th birthdays have been stolen from us by white supremacy, gun violence, prejudice, and fear?"
In general, the law defines defamation as a false and unprivileged statement of fact that is harmful to someone's reputation, and published "with fault," meaning as a result of negligence or malice. Statements of opinion are generally not cognizable as defamation.
In Florida, defamation is a false statement of fact, communicated to a third party, which is meant to hurt the plaintiff's reputation or economic well-being. As far as I can tell, he has pleaded that they acted in political self-interest, NOT with a specific desire to harm a guy that they did not even mention.
Countdown to some (half)wit claiming that an argument against frivolous lawsuits constitutes is “liberal” and a “defense” of Warren and/or Buttigieg. 3...2...1.....
Anyone arguing in favor of this lawsuit is basically saying “I favor allowing lawsuits in which the plaintiff has failed to even stay at a legally-cognizable claim, so long as I do not personally like the defendant.”
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 9:56 am
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:40 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Neither even mentioned Zimmerman. They used an historical event as an opportunity to emphasize a political position.
Yes they mention Trayvon’s death the result of white supremacy and racism in complete contradiction to reality.
Who killed Trayvon?
This is weak, even for you
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:21 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Any analysis must start with the question “What did they say?”
Warren, “He should still be with us today. We need to end gun violence and racism.“
The INFERENCE is that Martin was killed by gun violence and racism. He WAS killed by Zimmerman. Therefore a reasonable person could conclude that Zimmerman is gun violence and racism.
There is a case to be made here. Win, lose, or settle, and for how much is yet to be determined. Warren exposed herself to litigation.
Buttigieg, "Trayvon Martin would have been 25 today. How many 25th birthdays have been stolen from us by white supremacy, gun violence, prejudice, and fear?"
Once again a reasonable person could conclude that Buttigieg is associating Zimmerman with white supremacy, gun violence, prejudice, and fear.
Again there is a case here.
Warren, Buttigieg, Martin, and Zimmerman are all arseholes.
Warren and Buttigieg are voluntarily public politicians trying to ride the corpse of a dead black child for political gain without regard to a man who was found innocent. Did they skirt defamation of Zimmerman with their word selection? We’ll find out.
Martin was a dumb kid with racist tendencies and a willingness to escalate an observation situation, through a verbal and physical engagement, to a deadly assault on Zimmerman.
Zimmerman was and is a private citizen engaged in legal activities trying to protect himself, his neighbors, and his reputation. Was he defamed by two powerful politicians in front of millions? We’ll find out.
I find it hard to believe that most attorneys would pass on this potentially lucrative lawsuit.
Edit: without hearing any arguments, and based solely on the facts presented in this thread, as a juror I’d probably vote guilty and award one dollar in damages. But I’m an arsehole too.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 11:25 am
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:44 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Neither even mentioned Zimmerman.
The two are clearly and inextricably linked. The level of wilfull ignorance you are displaying here is amazing, even for you.
quote:
Anyone arguing in favor of this lawsuit is basically saying
Anyone with a shred of factual knowledge of the Travon Martin case knows how full of shite you are in stating this opinion. You are certainly the (half)wit here.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:44 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Neither even mentioned Zimmerman.
Come on dude...if I were to say it was a bright, sunny, mid-July day in Alabama with the sun beating down and local swimming pools at full capacity...even a damned fool would know I was inferring that it was hot although I didn't say it literally.
Are you really going to keep this as an argument of yours?
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