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re: Is poverty the common denominator of every major social problem?

Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:53 am to
Posted by Hoops
LA
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:53 am to
Insecurity

Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:53 am to
ok, lets make up a hypothetical situation.

Let’s say we found out that the only supplier of a certain piece of equipment that is in constant need by factories and chemical plants was closing shop because the owner was moving all of his/her operations to another state. The cost of shipping would make them no longer viable to their current customers. So someone who knows this information tells someone that they should start a business making that needed equipment.
So this person quits job and starts said business. Everything is going great, orders are constantly coming in, life is looking up. But then the owner of said business decides to no longer watch over the process. Instead the owner stays at home and collects money. Suddenly the quality drops, and the equipment is late for delivery. It won’t be long before the new business goes belly up.

The future is determined by the decisions we make today. Sorry if this is uncomfortable.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:55 am to
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The only thing you've proven in this thread is you're a fricking idiot.


Lol, your jealousy is growing. Now you’re making up baseless accusations like a child.


Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:56 am to
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o someone who knows this information tells someone that they should start a business making that needed equipment.
So this person quits job and starts said business.



So you're saying they had some luck that someone told them about a potential business opportunity. Thanks again for proving someone else's point for them.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:57 am to
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You have proved nothing but that you are a moron.

Says the fool who believes in luck... lol

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Patently false. That is your MO in this thread though.


I honestly feel like I’m talking with children. You people actually believe that the decisions you make every day have absolutely no impact on your future?
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7934 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:57 am to
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Let’s say we found out that the only supplier of a certain piece of equipment that is in constant need by factories and chemical plants was closing shop because the owner was moving all of his/her operations to another state. The cost of shipping would make them no longer viable to their current customers. So someone who knows this information tells someone that they should start a business making that needed equipment.
So this person quits job and starts said business. Everything is going great, orders are constantly coming in, life is looking up. But then the owner of said business decides to no longer watch over the process. Instead the owner stays at home and collects money. Suddenly the quality drops, and the equipment is late for delivery. It won’t be long before the new business goes belly up.


What does this have to do with the discussion regarding luck?

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The future is determined by the decisions we make today.


Sure but I will ask again, what does this have to do with the discussion regarding luck?

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Sorry if this is uncomfortable.


The only one who is uncomfortable is you. You seem incapable of acknowledging or engaging with the concept of luck and how it plays a role in outcomes.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263099 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:57 am to
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All those things CAUSE poverty. Know what kills poverty? Avoiding these things and working consistently and living within your means.


Escaping poverty really involves taking a few simple steps. Most people never escape their surroundings simply because they're comfortable there and have little faith in themselves.

Its not even a matter of hard work, it's far more about personal habits and decision making. Kids born to shitty parents will struggle far more than the rest of us, but poverty isn't the restriction. It's just a symptom.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263099 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:59 am to
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some luck that someone told them about a potential business opportunity.


Everyone is aware of business pportunities. Most just don't follow through.

That ain't luck.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 9:59 am to
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So you're saying they had some luck that someone told them about a potential business opportunity. Thanks again for proving someone else's point for them.



You didn’t read the rest of it, again....

He was given good information about potential startup business. But instead of tending to his business and making sure everything was running properly, he became lazy. Just sat at home and collected his checks. Eventually the business fails because the quality has fallen, and orders are late. This would all be due to his decision to no longer be a part of the business.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:01 am to
If he’d started the business and made all the necessary decisions to ensure it was successful, then it would just be called luck. However because he made bad decisions that caused it to fail, it’s just called bad decisions.
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:01 am to
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The dumb and poor of all colors are the worst


Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:01 am to
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You people actually believe that the decisions you make every day have absolutely no impact on your future?



Absolutely nobody has argued that.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:03 am to
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The only one who is uncomfortable is you. You seem incapable of acknowledging or engaging with the concept of luck and how it plays a role in outcomes.


Luck isn’t real.

Our decisions today determine our future tomorrow.

Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:04 am to
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You people actually believe that the decisions you make every day have absolutely no impact on your future?

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Absolutely nobody has argued that.



You’ve said that decisions have absolutely nothing to do with being impoverished. What do you mean by that?
Posted by jclem11
Neoliberal Shill
Member since Nov 2011
7934 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:05 am to
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Luck isn’t real.


You have presented nothing to prove this and we have posted data showing the opposite.

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Our decisions today determine our future tomorrow.


Keep on chanting your mantra and ignoring reality.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263099 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:05 am to
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Luck isn’t real.


Correct. It's circumstance.

Put yourself in a position to take advantage of circumstance and opportunity.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:06 am to
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You’ve said that decisions have absolutely nothing to do with being impoverished.



No I haven't. I've said poverty isn't caused solely by bad decisions, and I've said bad decisions can keep one in poverty.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263099 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:07 am to
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I've said poverty isn't caused solely by bad decisions


Staying in poverty? Absolutely is a choice.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 10:08 am
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:09 am to
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You have presented nothing to prove this and we have posted data showing the opposite.



So some people with names that appear earlier in the alphabet having more success means there is such a thing as luck? Lol

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Keep on chanting your mantra and ignoring reality.


The reality is that no matter what you are given, no matter how talented you are, if you do not have good work ethic and have a tendency to make bad decisions then you will fail.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:10 am to
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No I haven't. I've said poverty isn't caused solely by bad decisions, and I've said bad decisions can keep one in poverty.


You are implying that some people are just in poverty for absolutely no logical reason.
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