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Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:52 pm to tigerfoot
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The LSU students at the game. A pretty small sampling of the student body.
The games are traditionally played for the students. Referring to them as the least common denominator is disingenuous.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:53 pm to LSUStar
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Neck needs to go away. It is vulgar and indecorous. What is the point aside from appealing to the least common denominator?
The song? The chant? Both?
I ask because I see nothing inappropriate about the song itself, unless I’m missing something.
If it’s the chant that bothers you, that’s a fair take. But why direct your angst toward a single song when the chant has been incorporated into nearly everything the band plays?
If there’s something inherent in the song that I’m missing please forgive me. If it’s the chant that is the root of the objection, Neck is probably the single best song the band has played to which the chant has been attached.
If they’re going to chant it to everything, why avoid playing the best song since not playing it isn’t going to stop the chant from taking place?
Seems the debate should be whether LSU should just do away with having a marching band altogether, and/or piped-in music at sporting events. Since any music is apparently an invitation for the chant, why single out that one song?
Posted on 2/4/20 at 3:55 pm to MoneyShot
quote:This is disingenuous. The game is played for 1.) TV audience 2.) regular attendees and boosters. 3.) Student body. If you dont believe me just look at revenue streams.
The games are traditionally played for the students. Referring to them as the least common denominator is disingenuous.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 4:07 pm to MoneyShot
quote:It might have started there, but I think it's inaccurate to continue to portray it as "just the 18-22 year olds in the students' section. The actual dismaying part is how "normal" people have taken it up en masse also.
Just to be clear you're referring to LSU students as the least common denominator here, correct?
Posted on 2/4/20 at 4:11 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:It's a football game, not a dinner at the VFW. People have been not taking off the hats at football games for years. If you think little junior is not seeing people not take their hats off on the internet, you're crazy.
This is a good one. If a kid sees a bunch adults not take their hat off for the anthem, doesn't that mean that the kid will grow up to do the same? Or does that kid's parent tell the kid that it's wrong if that's what they believe?
Posted on 2/4/20 at 4:14 pm to Big Scrub TX
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If you think little junior is not seeing people not take their hats off on the internet, you're crazy.
What? I have no clue what this means or what the internet has to do with my question.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 4:21 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:I was paraphrasing the general objections cited in these threads about the impact of crowd misbehavior on kids. It was (mostly) a joke.
What? I have no clue what this means or what the internet has to do with my question.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 4:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Kids dont see anything during the anthem, they are staring into someones arse cheeks.
People have been not taking off the hats at football games for years. If you think little junior is not seeing people not take their hats off on the internet, you're crazy.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 4:27 pm to Big Scrub TX
And I was using one of those examples as a comparison to people being concerned about how the STTDB chant will impact their kids. That was the whole point. I'm genuinely interested as to what these people are actually afraid will happen. IMO, any action that is perceived as disrespectful is really the same and can be treated the same as the parent and used as an example of how not to behave if the parents deem it to be unacceptable.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 4:28 pm to tigerfoot
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Kids dont see anything during the anthem
I was always looking around and trying to see the video screens and waiting for the poppers.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 4:59 pm to TigerLunatik
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TigerLunatik
In a world full of craziness that is apparently getting worse (by reading the replies), the guy with Lunatik in his user name is one of the only ones making sense
Posted on 2/4/20 at 5:15 pm to Likeadog
I love TGBFTL. I always have.
And I love the songs that Castro Carrazo and Huey Long wrote in the 1930s - The Alma Mater, Touchdown For LSU, Fight For LSU, etc. I actually sing the LSU Alma Mater at Tiger games.
I also love Hey Fighting Tigers, adapted from "Hey Look Me Over," a song in the 1958 Broadway play "Wildcat."
I love Tiger Rag, the song that used to be played after every LSU touchdown.
What is monumentally puzzling to me is how a small sampling of the student body and a small sampling of sidewalk/tee-shirt/bandwagon fans are ALLOWED to literally DECIDE what a multi-billion dollar University and its Athletic Dept. and Band can play and perform IN THEIR OWN STADIUM on fall Saturdays.
I am not against cursing and using curse words and acting childish and foolish and showing off........WITH THE GUYS IN A LIVING ROOM.
But not in front of millions of people, and only to see if 'they can get away with it,' and to 'watch the expressions on their faces,' and to 'show off in front of their friends,' because 'they're in college, they can do whatever they want,' or 'just to hear themselves.'
And they do this.......WILLINGLY. They couldn't care less how it affects the alumni, the other students, the other fans at the game, the VISITING fans, the media, the boosters and alumni groups, millions of people watching on television.
They WILLINGLY trash their OWN University, they trash their OWN state, and despite their objections, they trash...
THEMSELVES.
It is astonishingly stupid. And it denies the other 95,000 or so people in attendance for an LSU game, some for their FIRST VISIT to "Death Valley at Night."
And THIS is how you want yourselves to be remembered. How you want your school to be remembered.
To me, you'e worse than Alabama fans, which is saying something, because I HATE everything Alabama.
And sometimes I end up having to defend the normal sane part of the LSU student body and fans, which gets so old. Because they have nothing to do with me. Sad.
I also get exceedingly embarrassed when I see kids asking their parents - "what does that mean?, what are the saying?"
Too harsh? You know what you can do....use the acronym.
And no, I'm not an 'old fart.' I'm an alumnus (that's ALUMNUS, not alumni.)
Grow up.
And I love the songs that Castro Carrazo and Huey Long wrote in the 1930s - The Alma Mater, Touchdown For LSU, Fight For LSU, etc. I actually sing the LSU Alma Mater at Tiger games.
I also love Hey Fighting Tigers, adapted from "Hey Look Me Over," a song in the 1958 Broadway play "Wildcat."
I love Tiger Rag, the song that used to be played after every LSU touchdown.
What is monumentally puzzling to me is how a small sampling of the student body and a small sampling of sidewalk/tee-shirt/bandwagon fans are ALLOWED to literally DECIDE what a multi-billion dollar University and its Athletic Dept. and Band can play and perform IN THEIR OWN STADIUM on fall Saturdays.
I am not against cursing and using curse words and acting childish and foolish and showing off........WITH THE GUYS IN A LIVING ROOM.
But not in front of millions of people, and only to see if 'they can get away with it,' and to 'watch the expressions on their faces,' and to 'show off in front of their friends,' because 'they're in college, they can do whatever they want,' or 'just to hear themselves.'
And they do this.......WILLINGLY. They couldn't care less how it affects the alumni, the other students, the other fans at the game, the VISITING fans, the media, the boosters and alumni groups, millions of people watching on television.
They WILLINGLY trash their OWN University, they trash their OWN state, and despite their objections, they trash...
THEMSELVES.
It is astonishingly stupid. And it denies the other 95,000 or so people in attendance for an LSU game, some for their FIRST VISIT to "Death Valley at Night."
And THIS is how you want yourselves to be remembered. How you want your school to be remembered.
To me, you'e worse than Alabama fans, which is saying something, because I HATE everything Alabama.
And sometimes I end up having to defend the normal sane part of the LSU student body and fans, which gets so old. Because they have nothing to do with me. Sad.
I also get exceedingly embarrassed when I see kids asking their parents - "what does that mean?, what are the saying?"
Too harsh? You know what you can do....use the acronym.
And no, I'm not an 'old fart.' I'm an alumnus (that's ALUMNUS, not alumni.)
Grow up.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 2/4/20 at 5:16 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:For sure. I think it's hypocritical from both angles. Although, it does become nihilistic at some point, right? The logical end point is that the ONLY reason standards of decorum exist is to prevent kids from adopting some behavior. Is that really what we are saying?
And I was using one of those examples as a comparison to people being concerned about how the STTDB chant will impact their kids. That was the whole point. I'm genuinely interested as to what these people are actually afraid will happen. IMO, any action that is perceived as disrespectful is really the same and can be treated the same as the parent and used as an example of how not to behave if the parents deem it to be unacceptable.
This post was edited on 2/4/20 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 2/4/20 at 5:45 pm to Big Scrub TX
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nihilistic
I believe that's the first time I ever had to look a word up on here.
quote:
The logical end point is that the ONLY reason standards of decorum exist is to prevent kids from adopting some behavior. Is that really what we are saying?
It's a great question that I don't have the answer to. I think I have my view on this whole thing as being a different set of rules because it's a football game. That was always the case from as far back as I can remember. It was extremely clear that cursing in public, or really at all, was only done around LSU/Saints sporting events. My parents didn't curse other than that and I knew if I got caught cursing that there would be hell to pay. The line not to cross was laid out plain as day.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 5:49 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:I understand what you're saying, but again, the logical endpoint of that perspective is that anything could go just because it's a football game. If you are just saying it's "different rules", then it reverts back to being just a spectrum of allowable behaviors and not an actual principle. Is there anything that could be chanted at the stadium that would cause you to unequivocally say it was wrong?
I think I have my view on this whole thing as being a different set of rules because it's a football game. That was always the case from as far back as I can remember. It was extremely clear that cursing in public, or really at all, was only done around LSU/Saints sporting events. My parents didn't curse other than that and I knew if I got caught cursing that there would be hell to pay. The line not to cross was laid out plain as day.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 5:57 pm to Big Scrub TX
Honestly, I think STTDB is pretty bad and I wish people wouldn't say it (although I did think it was awesome at the national championship game). It doesn't offend me though and it doesn't diminish my experience at the game and I would treat it with my young kid the same way as any other behavior that I didn't want her to repeat.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 6:01 pm to Sonny Koufax
Only bitches get offended by words. And it’s “college football” not “elementary school” football. STTDB
Posted on 2/4/20 at 6:06 pm to TigerLunatik
quote:I hear you. I find it mostly just boring. And it's also annoying how people are acting like it's completely crazy for anyone to think it might be "offensive".
Honestly, I think STTDB is pretty bad and I wish people wouldn't say it (although I did think it was awesome at the national championship game). It doesn't offend me though and it doesn't diminish my experience at the game and I would treat it with my young kid the same way as any other behavior that I didn't want her to repeat.
I also agree with the people who just say it's a bad look for the University and its fan base.
Posted on 2/4/20 at 6:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
Well, I really appreciate that you're willing to have an open discussion about it without confrontation. You make some great points that I will definitely take into account in the future.
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