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re: Based Boris wants a UNILATERAL trade deal with US before negotiating with EU
Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:22 pm to tide06
Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:22 pm to tide06
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While his is likely good for the US, I wonder if it is really best for Britain.
Instead of being one of the senior members of a large trade bloc, they basically become an economic client-state of the USA.
Johnson is trying to do to the EU what Trump did to the Chinese: apply leverage.
Trump blew up NAFTA, signed Japan and then came to the table with China. This allowed him to use embargoes more effectively because the other trade deals sustained our economy while they drowned under the weight of our lost contracts. Add in the fact that we have a massive trade imbalance and they already needed us far more than we did them.
If Johnson already has a deal in hand with the US, the relative pressure the EU can apply at the bargaining table is greatly reduced because if a trade war ensues Britain is already stable on other fronts.
Britain isn’t and won’t become a US client state. In fact they were closer to a EU/German client previously and this gives them greater independence all around through triangulation.
Plus you can bet their will be language in the US/UK deal that will be used to strengthen the UKs positions with the EU.
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Posted on 1/19/20 at 10:31 pm to viceman
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I guess we have to agree to disagree here. I see the EU as an organization where non elected bureaucrats impose their political policies over traditional democratic governments. I think the EU is every bit as big of a threat to democracy as China is.
The majority of the worlds population does not nor has lived in democracies and we get along just fine, we are at the top of the pile and need stability to keep us there more than anything, that is what Pax Americana is all about.
Trying to force democracy down others throat will always turn out badly for us, see Iraq, Vietnam, Korea etc, they will do it or not on their terms.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:14 am to cave canem
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Trying to force democracy down others throat will always turn out badly
Yeah I agree with that statement. You can't force feed democracy to people who don't want it. Would be a good point except that it is not what I was talking about. I was talking about democratic countries having political policies forced upon on them by non elected foreign bureaucrats.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 1:08 am to viceman
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Yeah I agree with that statement. You can't force feed democracy to people who don't want it. Would be a good point except that it is not what I was talking about. I was talking about democratic countries having political policies forced upon on them by non elected foreign bureaucrats.
Again not our problem or business, how they run their government is their concern.
I dont think you are grasping that the EU can not force anything on anyone, they dont have an army or any mechanism to do so, it is a voluntary association of nations and as the UK has proved any of them are free to leave.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 4:30 am to loogaroo
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great! So much winning.
Not tired at all.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 7:15 am to cave canem
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Again not our problem or business, how they run their government is their concern.
a trade deal between the US and UK is somehow not our business wtf?
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I dont think you are grasping that the EU can not force anything on anyone, they dont have an army or any mechanism to do so, it is a voluntary association of nations and as the UK has proved any of them are free to leave.
I don't think you even grasp what the EU is. You say they don;t have mechanism to enforce their will? Seriously? They control the money and they fine and withhold funds to impose their will. They are in the process of building an army as well.You think the Brits voted to leave for no reason? They are leaving while the getting is good because they are tired of surrendering their autonomy to Brussels. They force poverty on the Mediterranean countries, force migration, and and use their influence on things such as fishing waters, and even military spending. Your first argument was a clear misunderstanding of mine and totally irrelevant and your second argument is just flat out wrong. You clearly have no idea about European issues nor that Poland and Italy are just waiting to see how this goes with the UK before they leave themselves. Nigel Farage said it best in the EU parliament speaking about an EU army which is not to stand up to Russia but obviously being amassed to keep members from leaving.
"You wish to build an Army to stare down the Russians? Just who in the hell do you think you are kidding?"
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 7:16 am
Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:19 am to viceman
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I don't think you even grasp what the EU is. You say they don;t have mechanism to enforce their will? Seriously? They control the money and they fine and withhold funds to impose their will. They are in the process of building an army as well.You think the Brits voted to leave for no reason? They are leaving while the getting is good because they are tired of surrendering their autonomy to Brussels. They force poverty on the Mediterranean countries, force migration, and and use their influence on things such as fishing waters, and even military spending. Your first argument was a clear misunderstanding of mine and totally irrelevant and your second argument is just flat out wrong. You clearly have no idea about European issues nor that Poland and Italy are just waiting to see how this goes with the UK before they leave themselves. Nigel Farage said it best in the EU parliament speaking about an EU army which is not to stand up to Russia but obviously being amassed to keep members from leaving.
"You wish to build an Army to stare down the Russians? Just who in the hell do you think you are kidding?"
You are a bit unhinged and way off the mark.
Back away from the ledge and zero hedge articles and you will be a much happier person.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:27 am to AggieHank86
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While his is likely good for the US, I wonder if it is really best for Britain.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:28 am to cave canem
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You are a bit unhinged and way off the mark.
Dude? Everything you said is not only wrong, but the opposite of the truth from the EU not having power when it controls the money. To it not having an army when it is mobilizing members military. You are toally ignorant about the EU and you need to stop.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 9:29 am
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:07 am to viceman
Oh lawdy, the dam aroung the Q thread is leaking again.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:10 am to cave canem
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I dont think you are grasping that the EU can not force anything on anyone, they dont have an army or any mechanism to do so, it is a voluntary association of nations and as the UK has proved any of them are free to leave.
Are ppl really this stupid in the world
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