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re: Specifically, how did President Trump abuse his power concerning Ukraine?
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:52 am to GumboPot
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:52 am to GumboPot
If you know the facts and still have to ask, there’s no hope for you. In simplest terms, you’d actually have to believe that his intent regarding Biden was purely for ethical concerns and not to gain political advantage. In other words, you’d have to be naieve or blinded by partisanship. The abuse thing happened when he tried to override Congress and withhold military aid. Apparently, despite the narrative that Ukraine received the aid, they still haven’t received the full amount thatCongress authorized.
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Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:57 am to VOR
quote:No, for this to be legit, the Dems would need to PROVE his intent is otherwise.
, you’d actually have to believe that his intent regarding Biden was purely for ethical concerns and not to gain political advantage.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 8:57 am to VOR
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In simplest terms, you’d actually have to believe that his intent regarding Biden was purely for ethical concerns and not to gain political advantage.
Under our legal system, the burden of proof is exactly the opposite of this. Guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. You know that, but the same political blindness you’re ascribing to others is affecting your judgment, as it does every time you post here.
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:09 am to VOR
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If you know the facts and still have to ask, there’s no hope for you.
If it's that easy for you to see it should be that easy to describe said facts in words.
Do it.
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In simplest terms, you’d actually have to believe that his intent regarding Biden was purely for ethical concerns and not to gain political advantage.
When does doing the work of the country and gaining political advantage of said work not overlap each other. They are not mutually exclusive. If Trump executes an executive order to spend DoD funds on a the wall not only is he providing national security he is fulfilling on of his political promises. Plus the shite the Biden admitted to is bribery. Should we just ignore that?
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The abuse thing happened when he tried to override Congress and withhold military aid.
He was bound by law to withhold the aid until it was determined that the money wouldn't be wasted on a corrupt honey pot.
So he bought Javelins from Raytheon and that pissed off the swamp. It pissed them off because the swamp couldn't funnel that money to the Atlantic Council and other NGOs in the Ukraine who funnel money back to DC politicians.
But the aid was provided by the September deadline. You just didn't get a chance to get your dirty hands on it. Trump spent the money before you could dole it out to your dirty friends.
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despite the narrative that Ukraine received the aid, they still haven’t received the full amount that Congress authorized.
What was the full amount?
And look at this shite right here^ VOR an American citizen fighting like hell to give foreign aid to corrupt counties instead of using that money on U.S. citizens for hundreds of different needs. Sad.
This post was edited on 12/6/19 at 9:15 am
Posted on 12/6/19 at 9:27 am to VOR
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The abuse thing happened when he tried to override Congress and withhold military aid.
No two ways about it, that's just flat out wrong. Withheld aid with the unambiguous intention of receiving personal gain via pressuring Ukraine to investigate a political rival is intrinsic to the abuse of power/withholding aid impeachment count.
The temporary suspension of aid, standing alone, is a non-starter and even Pelosi et al don't dispute that.
So then you're back to square one, proving Trump's state of mind and inner intentions. And please feel free to provide any evidence of that, i.e. unambiguous evidence such as a direct statement by Trump to the effect of "You know what? Despite the official position, I was really intending to get dirt on Biden to help with my reelection campaign." Direct statement, not the feeling that other people may have had. Because that's lay witness opinion and holds no weight if you're being calm and objective about it all.
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