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Implications of 12-0 (long)
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:41 am
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:41 am
This is only the 2nd 12-0 start in the SEC (or AP, if you prefer) era of football.
The first 12-game season (11 reg, plus bowl) was in 1970, a 9-3 team that sort of marked (along with the previous year) the era of "peak" McClendon as the team was 5-0 in conference (and, obviously, SEC Champs), losing OOC games to aTm (in Tiger Stadium), @Notre Dame and the Orange Bowl to Nebraska in classic Mac fashion by a combined 10 points (18 - 20, 0 - 3, and 12 - 17 respectively).
Along the way, we've had special seasons, for sure - the 1986 season breaking the SEC drought for the first time since 1970 being the first significant one. Not without its share of setbacks - the Miami (OH) loss, as well as losing a heartbreaker to Ole Miss and the Sugar Bowl, it was also 9-3. Arnsparger departed, but the future looked bright with his talented (but young) DC getting promoted to replace him.
Archer would win 10 games in the regular season for the first time since 1958 in 1987 and in a weird harbinger of things to come, somehow lost the SEC title to Auburn (and split the title the following year with Auburn despite finishing 8-4).
After that 1988 Hall of Fame Bowl team, the dark times began in earnest. LSU would have a losing season in 1989 - only the 4th since 1956 (Mac only lost in 1975, out of 18 seasons, and that was 5-6, and Stovall had 2 losing seasons) - and endure 6th straight losing seasons and 8 out of the 11 seasons from 1989 through 1999, through 3 head coaches (even if one of them doesn't really deserve the title).
Now - I am quick to defend Archer and Dinardo (the "bookends" if you will) - Archer was a good coach, but probably unready for the big chair. Dinardo did a man's job on the turnaround job, but was stymied by the lack of stomach to do what was necessary to get over the next step.
Both Dinardo and Archer coached 10-win seasons, for example. The guy in the middle can FOAD, though, just for the record.
Saban came over from Michigan State after the 1999 season. His first season was rocky, but successful (UAB?). We would win the SEC in his second season and he was the first LSU coach to record more than 11 wins in a single season, the 2003 team (which was 13-1, suffering through an "automatic" loss to Florida which we were dealing with back then).
Then, one Leslie Erwin Miles replaced Saban (who left us for his "dream" job in the NFL, failed after only 2 years and returned to a division rival after having recommended Houston Nutt be his replacement) and elevated what was expected at LSU, winning 11 or 12 games in each of his first 3 seasons, culminating with the 2007 BCS Championship. We couldn't see it then, but that was "peak" Miles.
A couple of "down" seasons (which would have been more than acceptable for every single coach who preceded him in the job) and we were back in 2011. Sure, Les won 10 or more games, again, from 2010 through 2013, but 2011 sealed his fate - not being able to beat Bama a second time, winning the conference, but losing a "non-conference" game to Bama was his death knell.
2011 was a perfect 12-0 season. We won the SEC, handily, convincingly. You baws know the rest.
It's 2019. The Tigers are 12-0 and headed to Atlanta.
Merry Christmas.
The first 12-game season (11 reg, plus bowl) was in 1970, a 9-3 team that sort of marked (along with the previous year) the era of "peak" McClendon as the team was 5-0 in conference (and, obviously, SEC Champs), losing OOC games to aTm (in Tiger Stadium), @Notre Dame and the Orange Bowl to Nebraska in classic Mac fashion by a combined 10 points (18 - 20, 0 - 3, and 12 - 17 respectively).
Along the way, we've had special seasons, for sure - the 1986 season breaking the SEC drought for the first time since 1970 being the first significant one. Not without its share of setbacks - the Miami (OH) loss, as well as losing a heartbreaker to Ole Miss and the Sugar Bowl, it was also 9-3. Arnsparger departed, but the future looked bright with his talented (but young) DC getting promoted to replace him.
Archer would win 10 games in the regular season for the first time since 1958 in 1987 and in a weird harbinger of things to come, somehow lost the SEC title to Auburn (and split the title the following year with Auburn despite finishing 8-4).
After that 1988 Hall of Fame Bowl team, the dark times began in earnest. LSU would have a losing season in 1989 - only the 4th since 1956 (Mac only lost in 1975, out of 18 seasons, and that was 5-6, and Stovall had 2 losing seasons) - and endure 6th straight losing seasons and 8 out of the 11 seasons from 1989 through 1999, through 3 head coaches (even if one of them doesn't really deserve the title).
Now - I am quick to defend Archer and Dinardo (the "bookends" if you will) - Archer was a good coach, but probably unready for the big chair. Dinardo did a man's job on the turnaround job, but was stymied by the lack of stomach to do what was necessary to get over the next step.
Both Dinardo and Archer coached 10-win seasons, for example. The guy in the middle can FOAD, though, just for the record.
Saban came over from Michigan State after the 1999 season. His first season was rocky, but successful (UAB?). We would win the SEC in his second season and he was the first LSU coach to record more than 11 wins in a single season, the 2003 team (which was 13-1, suffering through an "automatic" loss to Florida which we were dealing with back then).
Then, one Leslie Erwin Miles replaced Saban (who left us for his "dream" job in the NFL, failed after only 2 years and returned to a division rival after having recommended Houston Nutt be his replacement) and elevated what was expected at LSU, winning 11 or 12 games in each of his first 3 seasons, culminating with the 2007 BCS Championship. We couldn't see it then, but that was "peak" Miles.
A couple of "down" seasons (which would have been more than acceptable for every single coach who preceded him in the job) and we were back in 2011. Sure, Les won 10 or more games, again, from 2010 through 2013, but 2011 sealed his fate - not being able to beat Bama a second time, winning the conference, but losing a "non-conference" game to Bama was his death knell.
2011 was a perfect 12-0 season. We won the SEC, handily, convincingly. You baws know the rest.
It's 2019. The Tigers are 12-0 and headed to Atlanta.
Merry Christmas.
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 8:59 am
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:47 am to back9Tiger
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Cliff notes?
LSU is great.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:47 am to back9Tiger
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Cliff notes?
I put "long" in the title, baw, and I wasn't just talking about my Johnson. That means "reading".
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:49 am to Ace Midnight
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Both Dinardo and Hallman coached 10-win seasons, for example. The guy in the middle can FOAD, though, just for the record.
Harsh treatment for the all time leading winning percentage coach Hal Hunter.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:50 am to Meauxjeaux
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Harsh treatment for the all time leading winning percentage coach Hal Hunter.
Interims don't count for 1 game.
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 8:51 am
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:51 am to Ace Midnight
Awesome post. Special year for sure.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:53 am to Ace Midnight
So what are the “implications”?
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:56 am to Ace Midnight
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Both Dinardo and Hallman coached 10-win seasons, for example. The guy in the middle can FOAD, though, just for the record.
You misspelled Archer.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:58 am to Ace Midnight
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Both Dinardo and Hallman coached 10-win seasons, for example. The guy in the middle can FOAD, though, just for the record.
Did you mean to say, "Both Dinardo and Archer"?
Posted on 12/1/19 at 8:59 am to alumni95
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You misspelled Archer.
Yeah - unclear how I fricked that up - I was trying to leave him out.
Just brain damage, I suppose.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:00 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Did you mean to say, "Both Dinardo and Archer"?
Yes.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:01 am to Ace Midnight
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the 2003 team (which was 13-1, suffering through an "automatic" loss to Florida which we were dealing with back then).
We beat them in 2002 also. Not so auto as the 90’s (but ‘97 sure was grand).
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:04 am to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
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Both Dinardo and Hallman coached 10-win seasons, for example.
No. No Hallman didn’t. You misremembered or mistyped that.
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His first season was rocky, but successful (UAB?).
After the UAB loss that team gelled together and kicked arse from there. It was a rocky start. But not a rocky season IMO.
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suffering through an "automatic" loss to Florida which we were dealing with back then
We had beaten Florida on the road in Swamp in 2002. In 2003 they beat us with admittedly inferior talent, coaches, and scheme. We were favored at home in 2003. Hardly an, “automatic,” loss.
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2011 was a perfect 12-0 season. We won the SEC, handily, convincingly. You baws know the rest.
It's 2019. The Tigers are 12-0 and headed to Atlanta.
Merry Christmas.
So is there an implication here? It reads like a poorly articulated, mistake-riddled inference that nobody really got. You just rambled enough to show off your memory is a little off and then just wrapped it up without telling us anything of substance.
I’m 40 years old but if ever there was an appropriate time for me to respond with, “Okay Boomer,” the time is now.
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 9:05 am
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:05 am to Ace Midnight
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2011 was a perfect 12-0 season. We won the SEC, handily, convincingly. You baws know the rest.
It's 2019. The Tigers are 12-0 and headed to Atlanta.
Sorry if harsh... but you went through all that damn rambling to wuss out and get lazy at the end?
SMDH
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 9:06 am
Posted on 12/1/19 at 9:23 am to Ace Midnight
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Saban (who left us for his "dream" job in the NFL, failed after only 2 years and returned to a division rival after having recommended Houston Nutt be his replacement)
Don't get me angry all over again.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:34 am to GFunk
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No. No Hallman didn’t. You misremembered or mistyped that.
Admittedly mistyped. I was trying to avoid mentioning him by name and did anyway. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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After the UAB loss that team gelled together and kicked arse from there.
Did we "kick arse" when we got blown the frick out by Florida two weeks later (41-9)? Or when we lost to a bad Arky team to close out the regular season? I mean, if we had won that game we still wouldn't have gone to Atlanta because Auburn won the head-to-head, but we would have shared the SEC-W.
So, I stand by my "rocky, but successful".
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We had beaten Florida on the road in Swamp in 2002.
So, that's relevant to the 2000 in what way?
Sure beginning in 2002 to present, we're 11-7 against the Gators, but going back to 2 seasons prior to Spurrier taking over at Florida (so 1988) through 2001 (Saban's first SEC Championship season and we STILL got blown the frick out by Florida), we were 1-13 against them.
Bama hasn't owned us over the past 15 years like Florida did back then. So, I stand by my "automatic" loss statement, which wouldn't be reversed until 2002 forward.
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It reads like a poorly articulated, mistake-riddled inference
I was thinking Archer and typed the other guy - who I was specifically trying to not name. Other than that, what "mistakes" are in there to make it "riddled"?
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I’m 40 years old but if ever there was an appropriate time for me to respond with, “Okay Boomer,” the time is now.
I'm Gen-X. frick you, aight?
This post was edited on 12/1/19 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:47 am to Ace Midnight
So you missed the part where I pointed out that you made no implication or any point at all in your OP?
Okay Boomer X 2.
Okay Boomer X 2.
Posted on 12/1/19 at 10:55 am to Ace Midnight
Man what was your point? Just a history lesson we all know already??
Posted on 12/1/19 at 12:23 pm to Ace Midnight
Well, I'm 64 and have followed LSU since 1967. This has been the most enjoyable regular season. As for Hallman he should be remembered. .... so that we never hire such an arrogant dumbass like that again. With the current AD and HC, we will be in good hands for a bit. The decline that took us forever to get past started in its infancy when Carl Maddox got forced out as AD due to age. He then crossed the state line and put moo u on the map by hiring Emery Ballard as HC. Bellard had LSU's number when he was at A&M as well as moo u. Glad those days are past us, but another poor hire like Curley would set us back again. Hope it never happens again in my lifetime. This golden era has been fun.
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