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re: Stunning Admission By Renowned Atheist; Decline of Christianity is Hurting Society
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:26 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:26 pm to FooManChoo
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Why should I sacrifice my wants and needs for others if I don't perceive there to be a benefit to myself?
You shouldn’t
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And, what if I perceive there to be a benefit to myself by hurting others around me?
This is an urge most of us feel at some point and it’s almost always overridden by the perceived harm such an action would bring to us.
For instance, there are very few benefits I can think of which outweigh the high likelihood of spending most of my life in prison.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 5:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Exactly. But others seem to think empathy is enough to override this selfish desire and amounts to a good basis for morality.
You shouldn’t
If it's not morally wrong to be selfish, why should I care about empathy as a compelling reason for anything?
quote:Almost always, but not always. But even so, it's still a selfish motive. My point is if morality is boiled down to a utilitarian desire for survival or self-promotion, you can justify a lot of otherwise "immoral" behavior as perfectly consistent with that moral paradigm.
This is an urge most of us feel at some point and it’s almost always overridden by the perceived harm such an action would bring to us.
quote:For you, sure. And yet we have generations of people who wouldn't mind going to prison for "street cred" or other reasons that are more influential to those individuals than the thought of being incarcerated for long periods of time.
For instance, there are very few benefits I can think of which outweigh the high likelihood of spending most of my life in prison.
So the conflict with a utilitarian framework of morality may not be so bad for those who naturally want to act in the best interest of others because they believe it's in their own best interest to do so, but the conflict lies with those who don't care about others or who don't even care about themselves. We have no basis to condemn them if they are simply acting in a way that they feel is best.
This post was edited on 11/7/19 at 6:11 pm
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