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re: Trump Admin wants to allow adoption organizations to deny gay couples
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:42 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:42 pm to ShortyRob
People want to argue that homosexuality is bad because it’s unnatural
People point out that it occurs in nature
then people point out bad stuff that occurs in nature
So now the argument is that homosexuality is bad because it occurs in nature?
It can’t go both ways.
People point out that it occurs in nature
then people point out bad stuff that occurs in nature
So now the argument is that homosexuality is bad because it occurs in nature?
It can’t go both ways.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 1:44 pm
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Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:43 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Nope.
Just pointing out that "animals do it too" isn't exactly a defense.
I was pointing out that it is natural, as it is observed in nature
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:44 pm to mindbreaker
quote:I didn't say they were equivalent.
false equivalency.
You people do this all the time. You don't understand illustrations at all.
quote:Which is most certainly why I would treat them FAR worse than people with a great many other disorders who don't do such things.
Homicidal maniacs impede on the freedoms of others as in not being murder is a freedom we should all enjoy
quote:Which is why I don't really care what gays do in their bedrooms. They can frick 20 of the same sex for all I care.
Where as being gay affects no one but the two adult consenting parties involved.
quote:Fortunately, I don't suggest any such thing.
To suggest that being gay affects anyone else's freedoms in anyway
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:45 pm to hubertcumberdale
quote:
I was pointing out that it is natural, as it is observed in nature
Yes. And lots of shite is "natural" and is observed in nature.
There's nothing especially useful in this observation given that it ranges from "animals also smile" to "animals also commit mass murder".
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:45 pm to hubertcumberdale
The fact of the matter is homosexuals can live perfectly happy and healthy lives. They can be productive members of society.
They have higher risks but those risks can be mitigated
Comparing it to schizophrenia ignores that.
They have higher risks but those risks can be mitigated
Comparing it to schizophrenia ignores that.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:46 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Yes. And lots of shite is "natural" and is observed in nature.
There's nothing especially useful in this observation given that it ranges from "animals also smile" to "animals also commit mass murder".
The entire argument was that gays shouldnt have kids bc being gay is unnatural. Well, it is natural, as it is observed in nature.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:46 pm to TwoTimeTiger
quote:I didn't say it was "bad".
People want to argue that homosexuality is bad because it’s unnatural
quote:Which is not very useful info.
People point out that it occurs in nature
quote:exactly. Bad stuff. Good stuff. In the middle stuff. Saying, "it happens in nature" isn't very informative to the discussion.
then people point out bad stuff that occurs in nature
quote:Not at all. How would you get that?
So now the argument is that homosexuality is bad because it occurs in nature?
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:46 pm to mindbreaker
quote:Science is a methodology or a tool, not a person.
science doesn't back you up here
Biology supports the idea that humans naturally procreate via sexual reproduction. Advancement in technology allows for natural reproduction via artificial insemination but that still requires male sperm and a female ovum. You can get very unnatural by manipulating cells to simulate sperm to create life, at least in theory (I haven't kept up with that advancement), but that's in no ways "natural".
quote:I think others have covered this from a relational standpoint but I'm talking about reproduction specifically. Reproduction is natural via heterosexual sexual union within humans. It's impossible via homosexual union.
Or do we need to discuss the word Natural vs Common. It isn't common but it's completely natural.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:46 pm to hubertcumberdale
All murders are due to religion??
Are you drunk right now?
Being a Christian is too be christ like and Jesus did zero of those acts.
Are you drunk right now?
Being a Christian is too be christ like and Jesus did zero of those acts.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:46 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Quite obviously, it's a mental disorder. I mean, it's not homicidal maniac type mental disorder, but, it's certainly a mental disorder.
this is opinion.
quote:
If fricking wanting to wash your hands too much because you're irrationally afraid of dirt is a mental disorder, desiring the same sex is one
Too much is the point.
Washing your hands often isn’t.
Washing them to the point where it is detrimental to your ability to function is.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:47 pm to hubertcumberdale
quote:I made no such argument. I don't really care if it is "natural".
The entire argument was that gays shouldnt have kids bc being gay is unnatural.
It's less than ideal.
A lot of straight parents are less than ideal too.
If we are forming a line to adopt, I start with the most ideal and work my way back. If there are kids available when we get to a gay couple, fine.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:48 pm to TwoTimeTiger
quote:
this is opinion.
All of psychology is "opinion" then.
Wanting to frick the same sex is a disorder. It's just one of the "not that big a deal" disorders.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:48 pm to ctiger69
quote:
All murders are do to religion??
Are you drunk right now?
quote:
quote:
What another terrible argument. Animals eat their own, incest, murder, rape, kill the babies of others.....etc.
Incest, murder, rape, killing babies go pretty hand in hand with whats going on in the holy wars of the middle east for the last 2000 years
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:50 pm to TwoTimeTiger
quote:Agreed.
The fact of the matter is homosexuals can live perfectly happy and healthy lives.
quote:Agreed.
They can be productive members of society.
quote:so?
They have higher risks but those risks can be mitigated
quote:You libs really have a hard time with understanding examples do not have to be "comparing".
Comparing it to schizophrenia ignores that.
For example. If you tell me "all felines" make good pets and I say, "I don't think a Jaguar is a good idea".......you're gonna sound retarded if you say, "are you comparing Jaguars to house cats!!!!"
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:52 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Ah, there it is. You think the Bible is a bunch of fairy tales. I knew it'd come out eventually by someone.
I have no idea if it is or not I"m not advocated we put in place restrictions based of the books of my religion either.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:53 pm to mindbreaker
quote:I'm atheist
I have no idea if it is or not I"m not advocated we put in place restrictions based of the books of my religion either.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:53 pm to TwoTimeTiger
quote:
They have higher risks but those risks can be mitigated
Some of them can’t.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:55 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Science is a methodology or a tool, not a person.
Biology supports the idea that humans naturally procreate via sexual reproduction. Advancement in technology allows for natural reproduction via artificial insemination but that still requires male sperm and a female ovum. You can get very unnatural by manipulating cells to simulate sperm to create life, at least in theory (I haven't kept up with that advancement), but that's in no ways "natural".
quote:
Or do we need to discuss the word Natural vs Common. It isn't common but it's completely natural.
I think others have covered this from a relational standpoint but I'm talking about reproduction specifically. Reproduction is natural via heterosexual sexual union within humans. It's impossible via homosexual union.
and all that shite up there every single bit of it. the whole thing.
has not one even little effect on the ability to raise a child.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:56 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
I'm atheist
wasn't speaking to you on that one
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:59 pm to mindbreaker
quote:The implication is there when you're talking about "a 2000 old poorly translated book". Clearly you don't think it holds the truth or else you wouldn't have tried to dismiss the Bible as some poor work of antiquity.
I have no idea if it is or not
quote:My point was that religious belief (any religious belief) can form a basis for a person's worldview, which in turn dictates a person's opinions and even their actions (like what laws they support or want enacted). You can't throw out one worldview in favor of another for no other reason than you don't like its foundation.
I"m not advocated we put in place restrictions based of the books of my religion either.
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