re: Official Joker SPOILERS/Discussion Thread

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Ledger's insane Joker was actually funny, mostly throughout, like the Joker should be.

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Ehhhh, was he?

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I'm in the minority. While I enjoyed the movie, that wasn't The Joker. That was a 2hr realistic drama on a criminally-violent insane patient.

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From Todd Phillips:

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“I literally described to Joaquin at one point in those three months as like, ‘Look at this as a way to sneak a real movie in the studio system under the guise of a comic book film’. It wasn’t, ‘We want to glorify this behavior.’ It was literally like ‘Let’s make a real movie with a real budget and we’ll call it f–ing Joker’. That’s what it was.”

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wasn't The Joker.

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Yes it was.

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. They only had to hint, once or twice, at his very dark & mysterious past

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Well now we know and understand it without subtlety.

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Joaquin's Joker can only half-the-time smuggle a gun

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At the end of the movie he was walking out of the institution after being handcuffed. He was progressing rapidly in his abilities.

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I'm in the minority. While I enjoyed the movie, that wasn't The Joker. That was a 2hr realistic drama on a criminally-violent insane patient.

You know, the same grimey unkempt psycho you see on the street talking to himself, and you move to the other side of the street to avoid him at all costs? Yeah, they made a movie about that guy.

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Nailed it.

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I'm in the minority. While I enjoyed the movie, that wasn't The Joker. That was a 2hr realistic drama on a criminally-violent insane patient.

You know, the same grimey unkempt psycho you see on the street talking to himself, and you move to the other side of the street to avoid him at all costs? Yeah, they made a movie about that guy.

Ledger's insane Joker was actually funny, mostly throughout, like the Joker should be. They only had to hint, once or twice, at his very dark & mysterious past which made him an equally terrifying villain.

As insane as Ledger's Joker was, he was a brilliant 4D chess mastermind anarchist that almost took down a city, its mob, its police force and its superhero. Joaquin's Joker can only half-the-time smuggle a gun, like a Mark David Chapman.

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I'll echo this assessment a bit further and say this.

I truly believe that If Phoenix were playing the Joker going up against the Batman, he wold likely be even more better than Ledger and that would really be Joker.

I say that because Joker and Batman are a symbiotic and toxic relationship that don't exist as well without each other. Good vs evil. Order vs Chaos. Yin vs Yang. Both Batman and Joker are not complete without each other. Sure they can do things without each other but they convey the most depth when they fight against the other.

Batman is Batman by nature of what he does and what he looks like but Joker is at his peak when he has Batman in the picture as a foil.

As amazing as Phoenix was in this movie, I have to look at the framework and nuts and bolts of this movie and I have to conclude the guy that he played was a great commentary on why we have mass crowd shooters and is a great example of what happens when mentally ill people get kicked down by society and people in their lives long enough to the point where they just fricking snap and lash out in the most violent way possible.

It's a hell of a movie and one I really recommend, especially if you're interested how mentally people become what they are.